Aug 26, 2026 City Council

[ 1) CALL TO ORDER]

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>> GOOD EVENING WE WILL NOW START OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT 6:00 P.M., CAN YOU PLEASE ESTABLISH QUORUM.

ELIZABETH BROWN. >> LACY SCOTT.

[* A portion of the meeting is without audio]

>> WITH THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED QUORUM, WE WILL STAND FOR

INVOCATION AND OUR PLEDGE. >> LIBERTY HILL HIGH SCHOOL, ON

[ 2) PRESENTATIONS]

AND SO EACH YEAR WE SEND THE STUDENTS COME AND THEY PICK UP THIS COURSE CALLED INCUBATOR OR ENTREPRENEUR AND THEY COME INTO THE CLASSROOM AND THEY TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN ALL THE ELEMENTS OF STARTING A BUSINESS. THE WHOLE YEAR CULMINATES IN A SHARK TANK ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE HAVE JUDGES, WE HAVE INVESTORS, AND WE HAVE QUITE A CROWD THAT SHOWS UP TO REALLY TAKE PART OF THE WHOLE THING AND LAST YEAR WE HAD 16 TEAMS THAT ACTUALLY PRESENTED OVER THREE NIGHTS AND THIS GROUP RIGHT HERE, TEAM BUNDL, AS WELL AS WHO IS WITH US WHO'S IN GERMANY AT 1:00 A.M., THEY ARE THE WINNERS AND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THIS YEAR TO GO TO WHAT THEY CALL NATIONAL STUDENT SHOWCASE IN CHICAGO.

SO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY ALONG WITH ANOTHER TEACHER TO GO TO CHICAGO WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO PRESENT THEIR PROGRAM AND IT WAS AN AMAZING EVENT. THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO GO OUT, NETWORK, I HOPE YOU SAW THEM WALKING AROUND GIVING THINGS OUT TODAY AND TALKING WITH PEOPLE.

THERE YOU GO. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HONED IN IN THE CLASSROOM IS TO GO OUT, TALK TO PEOPLE, LOOK AT PEOPLE IN THE EYE, SHAKE HANDS AND SAY HELLO AND THESE GUYS DO A REALLY GREAT JOB.

THE GOOD NEWS IN THIS PROGRAM, IN FIVE YEARS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE HAD A TEAM YET TO THE NATIONAL SHOWCASE.

-- GET TO THE NATIONAL SHOWCASE WHICH IS REALLY UNBELIEVABLE.

[APPLAUSE] >> AND THEY WERE ONLY IN THE

FIRST... >> SORRY ABOUT THAT, MY COMPUTER

[3) PUBLIC COMMENTS]

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>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MARK, I LIVE AT 211 NEAL DRIVE HERE AT LIBERTY HILL I WANT TO URGE THE COUNCIL TO TURN OFF, TEAR DOWN AND REMOVE AND CANCEL EXISTING CONTRACTS AND PROHIBIT THE DEPLOYMENT OF ANY AND ALL FUTURE THIRD PARTY AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERA NETWORKS IN OUR CITY THAT ARE PROVIDED BY A FLOCK SAFETY OR ANY OTHER COMPETITI -- COMPETITIVE. MASS SURVEILLANCE PROVIDES -- PREVENTS FUNDAMENTAL CIVIL LIBERTIES, DATA SHARING VULNERABILITY AND OPERATIONAL INACCURACIES THAT UNDERMINE PUBLIC TRUST, WE DO NOT NEED TO LOOK FAR TO SEE OTHER TEXAS COMMUNITIES WHO ARE PULLING THE PLUG ON THEIR SURVEILLANCE NETWORKS. THEY UNANIMOUSLY JUST YESTERDAY DID TURN OFF FLOCK CAMERAS AND CANCEL THEIR CONTRACT AFTER DISCOVERING OUTSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, 6 MILLION UNAUTHORIZED SEARCHES AGAINST LOCAL DRIVERS.

THEY UNANIMOUSLY TEAR DOWN THEIR SYSTEMS, AUSTIN, SAN MARCOS HAVE ALSO ALLOWED CONTRACTS TO EXPIRE OR HAVE ACTIVELY CUT TIES WITH VENDORS. EVENT LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS ARE STEPPING UP TO END THESE PROGRAMS. THE COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICIALLY ORDERED THE REMOVAL OF ALL CAMERAS IN HIS JURISDICTION. WHEN THE SHERIFF PULLED THE PLUG, LIBERTY HILL SHOULD TAKE NOTE.

IN A STUDY BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEARLY 1500 ALERTS, 71% WERE FALSE. MEANING THAT THEY FLAGGED 7 OUT OF 10 INNOCENT DRIVERS INACCURATELY.

HERE'S WHAT IS SCARIER. OFFENDERS -- IF THE SYSTEM FLAGS YOUR PLATE INCORRECTLY YOU AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN CANNOT CONTACT

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THESE VENDORS FREQUENTLY ATTEMPT TO LOCK UP LOCAL OFFICIALS AND GET THEM TO SIGN STRICT END DAYS LIMIT PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND PREVENT TRANSPARENT OVERSIGHT. THE CITIZENS OF LIBERTY HILL DESERVE TO KNOW IF ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL SITTING ON THIS COUNCIL HAS BOUND THEMSELVES TO NDA CONTRACTS REGARDING THE CLEARANCE. FLOCK'S TRUE MISSION IS TO CREATE A SAFER AMERICA, THEN WHY DO THEY CONSISTENTLY AND ROUTINELY HAVE PUBLIC OFFICIALS SIGN NDAS? THIS MAKES -- IT MAKES ME WONDER WHY THEY ARE HIDING.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> BRETT? >> GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL, IN FRONT OF YOU WHAT YOU HAVE DATA FROM TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND INFORMATION ABOUT LOCAL LIBERTY HILL, PUBLIC SAFETY CRIME DATA. THAT DATA IS COMING FROM THE FBI AS WELL. I WANT TO BEGIN BY SAYING I SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID I SUPPORT THE LEGITIMATE USE OF TECHNOLOGY TO SOLVE CRIMES, LOCATING MISSING PERSONS, RECOVER STOLEN VEHICLES AND KEEP COMMUNITIES SAFE.

MY CONCERN IS NOT ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, MY CONCERN IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY ACCOUNTABILITY AND OVERSIGHT.

SOMETIMES THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION TONIGHT, CAN YOU DEMONSTRATE EXACTLY WHY AN AUTHORIZED USER SEES AFTER ENTERING A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, DOES A SYSTEM DISPLAY A TIMELINE ROUTE, HISTORY, MAP OF SIGHTINGS, ASSOCIATED CAMERA LOCATIONS, VEHICLE ATTRIBUTES OR OTHER ANALYTICS? I WOULD LIKE RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL CAPABILITIES OF THE SYSTEM RATHER THAN JUST HEAR THAT IT READS LICENSE PLATES. CAN A VEHICLE NOTIFY LIKE A HOT LIST. AT A MINIMUM AMOUNT INFORM PUBLIC DISCUSSION, MOST RESIDENTS PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THESE CAMERAS EXIST, WHAT INFORMATION IS COLLECTED WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT, HOW MUCH IS RETAINED AND HOW IT'S SHARED.

BEFORE EXPANDING THE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM THE PUBLIC SHOULD UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS AND WHAT SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE. I'M NOT HERE TONIGHT TO THREATEN LITIGATION I'M HERE BECAUSE HISTORY SHOWS THAT WHEN GOVERNMENTS ADOPT POWERFUL TECHNOLOGIES WITHOUT STRONG OVERSIGHT, PROBLEMS EVENTUALLY OCCUR.

THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER LIBERTY HILL INTENDS TO MISUSE THE SYSTEM THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE SAFEGUARDS ARE SUFFICIENT IF MISUSE EVER DOES OCCUR.

IF AN OFFICER CONDUCTS THE IMPROPER SEARCH IF DATA IS SHARED BEYOND WHAT RESIDENTS EXPECT, IF POLICIES ARE NOT FOLLOWED WHAT INDEPENDENT REVIEW PROCESS EXISTS.

WHO AUDITS THE AUDITS? REVIEWS THE ACCESS LOGS, WHERE CONSEQUENCES EXIST WHEN MISUSE IS IDENTIFIED? I WAS MADE -- 11 YEARS AS A PEACE OFFICER I ASKED ONE TOWN IF SHE COULD LOOK UP SOME WOMAN UP FOR ME.

SHE SAYS NO, I WOULD HAVE TO LOG IN TO THE LABS AND I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE MY JOB OVER THAT. EVERY SEARCH CREATES A RECORD AND WHERE THOSE RECORDS ARE REVIEWED.

ACCOUNTABILITY CHANGES BEHAVIOR. THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER FLOCK HAS LOGS, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THOSE LOGS ARE ACTIVELY REVIEWED. INDEPENDENTLY AUDITED AND BACK

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THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> NEXT WE HAVE AMANDA YOUNG. >> HELLO MY NAME IS AMANDA YOUNG I LIVE AT 1525 PROCLAMATION AVENUE IN LIBERTY HILL. AND SPEAKING TODAY TO URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN LIBERTY HILL AND SINCE THIS TOPIC WAS FIRST DISCUSSED UNDER PREVIOUS COUNCILS SIGNIFICANT NEW INFORMATION HAS EMERGED REGARDING DATA RETENTION, THIRD PARTY SHARING AND PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY. INSTALLING A NETWORK OF TRACKING CAMERAS SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE TO WHAT OUR CITY PRIORITIZES.

PLEASE RESPECT STRONG WILL OF COMMUNITY AND VOTE THE FLOCK CAMERAS OUT OF LIBERTY HILL. ADDITIONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE LIGHT ORDINANCE ON 5B, NUMBER 1 THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THE SEPARATION WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE POLICY WHEN ESTABLISHED AND I APPRECIATE STAFF ADDRESSING THE OVERSIGHT. NUMBER 2 PLEASE EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION REGARDING PROVISIONS THAT ALLOW COUNCIL DISCRETION TO WAIVE FINES. GRANTING BROAD SUBJECTIVE AUTHORITY TO CURRENT AND FUTURE COUNCILS CREATES RISKS OF PERCEIVED FAVORITISM AND OPENS THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY UP TO POTENTIAL LITIGATION. ENFORCEMENT AND STANDARDIZATION -- SHOULD REMAIN FAIR, AND CONSISTENT.

UNDER THE IMPLEMENTATION FOR APPROXIMATELY 200 YEARS IS FAR TOO LONG TO ADDRESS THESE STANDARDS.

WE ASK THE CITY TO ENSURE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND CITY STAFF STRICTLY ENFORCE THESE REGULATIONS SO THAT ALL NEW BUILDS AND INCOMING BUSINESSES ARE COMPLIANT FROM DAY ONE.

I WAS ASKED TO READ A CONDENSED VERSION OF WHAT A PUBLIC COMMENT SUBMITTED WITH MY 3 MINUTES. I KNOW THAT YOU WERE NOT READING PUBLIC COMMENTS ANY MORE WHEN THEY ARE JUST SENT IN THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. SHE SAYS REGULAR AGENDA FIVE A FLOCK CAMERAS PLEASE REMOVE THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS FOR FUTURE USE, PROTECT THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND KEEP THE LIBERTY AND LIBERTY HILL. REGULAR AGENDA 5B, OUTDOOR LIGHTING ORDINANCE SHE SAYS SHE WANTS TO BEGIN BY THANKING YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUING TO STRENGTHEN LIBERTY HILL'S OUTDOOR LIGHTING ORDINANCE, SHE'S ENCOURAGED BY THIS.

THESE CHANGES CAN PROTECT PROPERTY RIGHTS, REDUCE GLARE RESTORE THE LIGHTS AND STRENGTHEN THE INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION. GOOD LIGHTING IS ABOUT PUTTING IN THE GOOD LIGHT AT THE RIGHT PLACE WITH THE RIGHT CONTROLS.

IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT BE DIFFERENT? IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2022, WE HAVE LIGHTS INSTALLED SINCE 2022 AND APPEARS INCONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE AND REMAINS TODAY. IF ANOTHER TWO YEAR COMPLIANCE EXTENSION IS GRANTED WHAT HAPPENS DURING THOSE TWO YEARS? SHE ASKED WHAT THE CITY ESTABLISHES AS FAR AS EDUCATION INSPECTIONS, BENCHMARKS, OBJECTIVE MEASUREMENTS AND CLEAR PROCESSES FOR COMPLIANCE. SHE SAYS I ALSO ASK COUNCIL TO REMOVE THE PROVISION ALLOWING COUNCIL TO WAIVE FINES FOR CONTINUED NONCOMPLIANCE. REASONABLE NOTICE AND TIME TO CORRECT ARE APPROPRIATE BUT AFTER THAT THE SAME OBJECTIVE STANDARD SHOULD APPLY EQUALLY TO EVERY ONE.

THIS PROTECTS PROPERTY OWNERS, THE CITY AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE DARK SKY CERTIFICATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MY APOLOGIES. COULD YOU PLEASE STATE WHO SHE IS? WHAT IS HER ADDRESS WOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW HER ADDRESS. >> WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP

CONSISTENT. >> SHE WROTE TO YOU.

>> NEXT WE HAVE KRISTEN PHI PHILLIPS.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MY NAME IS KRISTEN PHILLIPS AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK YOU TO REJECT THE USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR I SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY, I SUPPORT OUR POLICE OFFICERS, I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BE SAFE BUT PUBLIC SAFETY DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO ACCEPT EVERY SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS OFFERED TO US.

AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO LEARN FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS TEXAS.

SALMON BEFORE WE MENTIONED A DECISION THAT ANOTHER VALLEY MADE, JUST YESTERDAY CANTELE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED NOT TO RENEW THEIR FLOCK CONTRACT ENDING THE USE OF MORE THAN 50 FLOCK CAMERAS IN THAT AREA.

THE DECISION FOLLOWED SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC CONCERN ABOUT

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THESE COMMUNITIES ARE TELLING US SOMETHING, VERY IMPORTANT.

THIS TECHNOLOGY DESERVES SCRUTINY BEFORE WE EXPAND IT.

NOT AFTER. THE TECHNOLOGY ITSELF IS EVOLVING, WE'RE NOT TALKING LONGER ABOUT A CAMERA TAKING A PICTURE OF A LICENSE PLATE AFTER CAMERA OCCURS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SYSTEMS THAT COLLECT VEHICLE DATA AT SCALE AND INCREASINGLY PROVIDE ANALYTICAL TOOLS INCLUDING HEAT MAP CAPABILITIES THAT CAN HELP VISUALIZE PATTERNS OF VEHICLE ACTIVITY. FLOCK IS NO LONGER SIMPLY ABOUT IDENTIFYING A VEHICLE AFTER A CRIME, IT NEWER ANALYTICAL TOOLS CAN ADD CAMERA DATA TO VISUALIZE PATTERNS OF VEHICLE MOVEMENT ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY. THAT CHANGES THE CONVERSATION FROM IDENTIFYING A SUSPECT VEHICLE TO UNDERSTANDING PATTERNS OF WHERE VEHICLES ARE GOING.

AND THAT DESERVES SERIOUS PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT PRIVACY, OVERSIGHT AND HOW THAT INFORMATION CAN BE USED.

THAT SHOULD MAKE EVERY ONE OF US STOP AND ASK QUESTIONS LIKE HOW MUCH SURVEILLANCE IS TOO MUCH? WHO HAS ACCESS TO THIS DATA? HOW LONG IS THAT DATA RETAINED? WHO CAN REQUEST IT? CAN OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ACCESS IT? CAN INFORMATION COLLECTED IN OUR COMMUNITY BE SHARED OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY? OUR ANALYTICAL TOOLS AND HEAT MAPS BEING USED? AND WHAT SAFEGUARDS PREVENT INFORMATION COLLECTED FOR ONE PURPOSE FROM EVENTUALLY BEING USED FOR ANOTHER? BECAUSE THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INVESTIGATING A SPECIFIC CRIME AND CREATING INFRASTRUCTURE CAPABLE OF COLLECTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE MOVEMENTS OF EVERY ONE, PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT. AND WITH ANALYTIC TECHNOLOGY WE ALSO NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT A PATTERN IS NOT AN EXPLANATION.

A HEAT MAP CAN SHOW WHERE VEHICLES ARE TRAVELING, IT CAN TELL US WHERE THEY ARE. WHY THEY ARE THERE.

TECHNOLOGY CAN IDENTIFY PATTERNS BUT PEOPLE INTERPRET THOSE PATTERNS AND THOSE INTERPRETATIONS CAN BE WRONG.

I WANT TO ADDRESS THE ARGUMENT THAT IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

I REJECT THAT PREMISE. PRIVACY IS NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE TO EARN BY BEING INNOCENT.

THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANY MORE? I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AUDIENCE KNOWS SINCE IT WAS STATED THAT WE DO NOT READ OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS OUT ANY MORE I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER RECEIVES THEM THAT THEY ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHENEVER WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS IN THE CITY. SO WITH THAT WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. SKIPPED THE CONSENT AGENDA, ONE

[4) CONSENT AGENDA]

ANY MOTIONS? >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I WAS SO HAPPY TO START SEEING QUARTERLY STATUS AND WE GET WHAT WE MEASURE AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE IT MEASURED AND HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE AND SHOWING OUR PROGRESS AND WITH THAT I MOVE TO

APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> I WILL SECOND IT.

>> ALL IN FAVOR? >> MOTION PASSES.

[5) REGULAR AGENDA]

>> WE START WITH FIVE A, PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY'S FLOCK SAFETY LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION CAMERAS. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND HAVE OUR STAFF COME FORWARD. BEFORE WE START WITH THIS ITEM I WANT TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND. WE HAVE HAD THIS GENTLEMAN HERE CONSISTENTLY SHARING HIS CONCERNS AND WE STARTED SEEING THINGS ONLINE AND WE JUST FELT LIKE WE WANTED TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND MAYBE IT WAS A CONVERSATION WE NEEDED TO HAVE BECAUSE THIS IS A COUNCIL ALSO STARTED HAVING -- QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN DID FLOCK COME HERE AND WHEN WAS IT VOTED ON IN THE CITY AND I'VE READ SOME THINGS THAT ARE ONLINE THAT ARE INACCURATE SO WE HAVE GIVEN ALL THE QUESTIONS TO OUR POLICE CHIEF AND IS GOING TO CLEAR UP SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID THAT WE CAN HAVE FACTS SO AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS IS ABOUT FACTS, IT'S ABOUT DATA AND FROM THERE HEARING THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING THE BEST DECISION FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LET YOU START OFF AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION, DID WE HAVE ANYONE FROM FLOCK HERE TONIGHT? WE DO, WE ARE THANKFUL THEY ARE THERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THE STAFF WHO HAVE MADE SURE THAT WHEN THEY HEARD THE COUNCIL HAD QUESTIONS AND WE SENT THEM ALL IN THE STAFF TOOK IT SERIOUSLY AND THEY MADE SURE THEY HAD THE RIGHT PLAYERS HERE

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THANK YOU CHIEF. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE STARTED AND WHERE WE ARE NOW.

SO THE DISCUSSION WITH FLOCK STARTED MIDDLE OF 2024, COUNCIL APPROVED IT ON 2024 DECEMBER OF 2024 WITH A RESOLUTION WHICH STARTED ON THE PERMITTING PROCESS WITH X DOT.

THEY APPROVED THE POLICY EARLY 2025 AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WERE ABLE TO INSTALL IT ON ONE CAMERA THAT WAS ON CITY RIGHT AWAY.

APRIL 25, PHASE TWO WAS HELD UP BY TEXTILE GETTING THE PERMITS THAT JUST WENT IN THIS APRIL AND MAY.

WE WERE FOUR MONTHS AND HAVING THE CAMERAS THAT WERE MORE VIABLE. THE INITIAL COST WAS $21,000.

AND TO NOTE ON HERE IS OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT ENDS OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. AND IT WILL BE SAID FOR ALL THE RENEWAL IF NO INTERVENTION SO THEY AUTOMATICALLY CAPTURE -- CAPTURE LICENSE PLATE DATA AND VEHICLE DESCRIPTIONS, THEY ASSIST IN INVESTIGATIONS AND THEN WE GET REALTIME ALERTS IF THE STOLEN CAR OR STOLEN PLATE, A VIOLENT WARRANT, SOME AGENCIES CAN PUT A NONVIOLENT WARRANT, WE DID NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE.

OUR CAMERAS DO NOT RECORD CONTINUOUS.

I BELIEVE SOME OPTIONS THAT DO BUT OURS DO NOT AND WE DON'T UTILIZE THAT. THE CAMERAS DO NOT SHOW WHO IS IN THE CAR CORRECT YOU CANNOT SEE IT IS TOO FAR OFF AND IT DOESN'T CAPTURE THAT BUT ZOOMS IN ON THE LICENSE PLATE AND THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE A CLOSE UP OF THE LICENSE PLATE AND OUR OFFICERS OFF THE FLOCK CONFIRMATION THEY HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT LICENSE PLATE VISUALLY AND THEN SEE IT AND IF IT IS A STOLEN VEHICLE THEY CALL THAT PLATE IN AND THE COUNTY CONFIRMS IF IT'S STOLEN OR NOT, IF IT'S STOLEN YOU MOVE ON AND IF IT ISN'T WE DON'T STOP THE VEHICLE.

THE FLOCK INFORMATION IS NOT SOLELY USED TO MAKE TRAFFIC STOPS. SO TO ADD TO THAT THE INVESTIGATIVE LEADS, WE DO SHARE WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT HAVE MET THE CRITERIA.

THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY DPS, THEIR POLICIES HAVE TO BE REVIEWED AND ACCEPTED TO HAVE ACCESS.

WITH THIS THE BENEFIT IS IT INCREASES EFFICIENCY OF IDENTIFYING SUSPECT VEHICLES, DOESN'T TELL US WHO COMMITTED A CRIME, IT DOESN'T TELL US A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED BUT IF WE HAVE A VEHICLE DESCRIPTION AND AN AREA WE CAN CHECK FAIRLY QUICKLY AND NARROW THAT DOWN AND GIVE US REASONABLE SUSPICION TO SPEAK TO THAT PERSON AND DOES NOT PROVE THAT THEY HAVE DONE ANYTHING. SO THE LOCATIONS ARE RESTRICTED TO MAXIMIZE THE COVERAGE WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CAMERAS FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. COST WAS A BIG ONE.

WE DO HAVE SEVEN CAMERAS, THE ONE ON 279 WHICH IS THE RIGHT AWAY AND THE REST ARE IN ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS ALONG 29, 1869, AND THEN TWO ON EACH SIDE OF 183 ON 29TH.

THAT GIVES US THE BEST COVERAGE OF THE HIGH VOLUME ROADS.

SEARCH CRITERIA HAS TO BE A LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT REASON TO CONDUCT A SEARCH. IN THAT SEARCH SCREEN YOU HAVE TO SAY WHY YOU ARE SEARCHING, TO PUT A CASE NUMBER, AN EVENT NUMBER AND THEN ANY OTHER NOTES THAT NEED TO GO WITH THAT AND THEN ALL OF THAT LOGGED IS TRACKED AND THAT DOES NOT GO AWAY. THE LICENSE PLATE READS GO AWAY

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ALL OFFICERS HAVE TO COMPLETE DEPARTMENT APPROVED TRAINING BEFORE THEY HAVE ACCESS AND ALL THE... ARE DUAL AUTHENTICATED TO VERIFY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY THE OFFICER LOGGING IN.

I JUMPED AHEAD TO. THERE IS THE AUTHENTICATED ACCESS. THE AUDIT LOGS LIKE I SAID DO NOT GO AWAY CHARACTER MAINTAINED FOREVER, THE DATA GOES AWAY AFTER 30 DAYS, THERE IS SOME DISCUSSIONS NOW TO DROP IT TO SEVEN, OURS IS STILL CURRENTLY 30, WE ARE DISCUSSING IT BUT AT THIS POINT IT IS STILL 30 DAYS IF A READ OR SEARCH DOES BECOME PART OF A CASE THEN IS REQUIRED TO BE RETAINED PER THE EVIDENCE -- EVIDENTIARY REQUIREMENTS SO THEN THAT WOULD BE PULLED OUT OF THE FLOCK SYSTEM, IT WOULD NO LONGER BE THERE.

IT WOULD BE PART OF THE CASE WE DO NOT SELL OR USE THE DATA OUTSIDE OF LEGITIMATE PUBLIC SAFETY, LAW ENFORCEMENT PUR PURPOSES. THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED, WE GET REQUESTS FROM EACH INDIVIDUAL WE CAN GRANT THAT OR DENY IT, WE CAN GIVE IT PIECES, AND IT CAN BE REMOVED AT ANY TIME. BUT WE ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR DATA IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR ASSESSING THE VEHICLE.

A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF HOW WE'VE USED IT, THE AGGRAVATED ROBBERY, WAS BIG ON FACEBOOK, DECEMBER OF 25 WHERE THE ELDERLY GENTLEMAN WAS TAKEN FROM CEDAR PARK INTO LIBERTY HILL, THEY FOLLOWED HIM AS THEY GOT OUT OF THE CAR, THEY KNOCKED HIM TO THE GROUND AND STOLE THE MONEY ENVELOPE HE JUST GOT IN FROM THE BANK. WE FOUND THE VICTIM'S VEHICLE AND THEN THE SUSPECT VEHICLE WAS RIGHT BEHIND HIM AND THEN WE VERIFIED IT WITH VIDEO RECORDING FROM RESIDENCE THERE THAT IT CONFIRMED THAT THE VEHICLE AND THEN WE LOST IT, NEVER SAW IT AGAIN AND THEN WAS ABLE TO FIND IT DESCRIPTORS, DAMAGED OBSERVED AND BUMPER STICKERS AND THEY HAD CHANGED PLATES AND THEY WERE ARRESTED THAT AFTERNOON, ALL HAD AGGRAVATED ROBBERY WARRANTS PLUS AGGRAVATED ROBBERY WARRANTS. THE LOCAL SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THERE WAS WAITING FOR THEM TO GET HOME.

THE THEFT OF PROPERTY THAT WAS ACTUALLY CAMERAS THAT WERE NOT OURS, THOSE WERE SOME STONE WALL CAMERAS, THE SUSPECT VEHICLE WAS SEEN ON CAMERA AT A BUSINESS AND THEN THE FLOCK CAMERA ACTUALLY GOT THEM WITH A STOLEN VEHICLE IN THE BACK OF THE PICKUP ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. WE HAVE A WARRANT FOR THAT.

IT WAS MORE RECENTLY AGAIN 279, WITNESSES SAW THE VEHICLE, GAVE A DESCRIPTION, SAID IT CAME OFF A 279 LUCK, THEY FOUND IT, CONTACTED HIM. AFTER SOME LYING HE ADMITTED HE WAS THERE GOT INSURANCE INFORMATION AND GOT THE ARREST.

THE AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT IS VERY CURRENT, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT TOO MUCH BUT AGAIN THE VICTIM SAID WHERE THEY WENT FROM AND WHERE THEY WENT TO, WHERE THEY PASSED THE CAMERA BECAUSE OF THAT ROUTE NEAR THE TIME AND GOT THE SUSPECT VEHICLE AND THEN GAVE US A PERSON OF INTEREST TO TALK TO.

THAT ONE IS STILL ONGOING, WE DON'T HAVE A WARRANT FOR THAT ONE YET. SO ALSO ON THAT ONE, GOING BACK FIVE YEARS, WE'VE HAD AN AVERAGE OF A LITTLE OVER NINE VEHICLE BURGLARIES, MOST OF THEM -- BEING IN LIBERTY PARK.

AFTER FROM 21 TO 25 THIS YEAR SO FAR WE'VE HAD TWO.

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WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO IAN FROM FLOCK SAFETY THAT WILL

GO MORE IN DEPTH. >> WE WANT TO ASK YOU A CLARIFYING QUESTION. EARLIER THE FLOCK CAMERAS ZOOM IN ON THE LICENSE PLATE BUT THEN FOR THE THEFT OF PROPERTY SOMETIME IN 2025 THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE...

>> IT WAS A BIG ITEM IN THE BACK OF THE PICKUP.

IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FORWARD WE WOULD HAVE SEEN THE FRONT OF THE CAR. WE SAW THE STOLEN ITEMS. MOST OF THE TIME WE CAN'T BUT YOU CAN'T ZOOM IN IT WAS NOT BIG

ENOUGH TO SEE THEM. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL, PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IN THE PRESENCE OF YOU ALL, MY NAME IS IAN LESLIE AM THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. I'VE COME HERE TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND GIVE YOU INFO ON HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS AND WHAT IT DOES AND DOESN'T DO.

I'M NOT THE ACCOUNT EXECUTIVE WORKING HERE, MY ROLE FOCUSES ON EDUCATING MUNICIPAL LEADERS SUCH AS YOURSELF, COMMUNITY LEADERS UNTRUSTED COMPLIANCE ON FLOCK SAFETY.

WITH THAT BUT I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM CAN AGREE ON AS WE BELIEVE EVERYONE DESERVES TO BE SAFE REGARDLESS OF THEIR LOCATION, RACE GENDER AND WHAT THEIR BELIEFS ARE.

WE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT FEELING SAFE WITHIN A COMMUNITY IS NOT SUBJECTIVE, AND SO WHERE FLOCK IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS IT WILL ALLOW FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES COMMUNITIES ALIKE TO DEPLOY AND HAVE ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY THAT ALLOWS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO OFFICIALLY, EFFECTIVELY AND RESPONSIBLY RESPOND TO CRIME BUT ALSO PREVENT CRIME.

AND SO WE HAVE AN ECOSYSTEM OF SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE THAT WILL ALLOW OUR CUSTOMERS TO DEPLOY. I WILL WALK THROUGH TWO OTHER SPECIFIC PRODUCTS TODAY AND A LOT -- ADDRESS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION LAID INTO DISINFORMATION OUT THERE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES OF THE CAMERAS AND ALSO THE SAFEGUARDS THAT ARE BUILT WITHIN THE SYSTEM AS WELL. SO FOR SOME LIFE SITUATIONS, THE CHIEF WENT OVER GOOD SUCCESS STORIES BUT WE CAN ALL RESONATE WITH THIS CASE STUDY I HAVE UP HERE.

IN THIS CASE STUDY THIS CAME OUT OF GEORGIA, THIS BEAUTIFUL GIRL WAS ABDUCTED FROM HER MOTHER, I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH VERY QUICKLY HOW THE FLOCK SYSTEM OPERATES AND FUNCTIONS.

THE AMBER ALERT WAS ISSUED, I MYSELF ALONG WITH YOU ALL DON'T SEE THIS TOO OFTEN WHEN AN AMBER ALERT BUT TO BE FRANK BEFORE I WAS IN PUBLIC SAFETY I WOULD SEE THE AMBER ALERT AND THAT THE LAST THING I'M THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE IF NOT MY LOVED ONE AND SO IN THIS SITUATION AGAIN, IT WAS SHOT AT 12:33.

IF IT WAS YOUR DAUGHTER, IF IT WAS YOUR SON OR A LOVED ONE AND THE AMBER ALERT WAS ISSUED, WHAT IS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND? THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ANSWER AND YOU'RE EXPECTING YOUR CHIEF TO ACT ON EFFICIENTLY.

THE SEARCH WAS CONDUCTED WITH A FLOCK SAFETY SYSTEM.

BYE BYE 2:30, THEY WERE ABLE TO LOCATE THE SUSPECTED VEHICLE AND BY 5:03 THERE WAS A STOP AND ARREST AND BY 6:00 THAT CHILD WAS BACK HOME WITH HER MOTHER. AGAIN, LIVING THROUGH THAT EXPERIENCE THERE AND THE SITUATION WHERE SECONDS MATTER AND MINUTES MATTER, YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE THE ACCESS TO EFFICIENTLY AND RESPONSIBLY RESPOND TO CRIME.

WE'D LIKE TO START IT WITH INVESTIGATIONS LIKE THIS AND LIKE MANY OTHER INVESTIGATIONS THERE'S GOING TO BE A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION THAT THEY HELPED SOLVE LAST YEAR.

TO HELP AND SUPPORT AND FIND 2000 MISSING PEOPLE LAST YEAR.

THERE'S A LOT OF HYPOTHETICALS AND DISINFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION, I WANT TO GO OVER FACTS AND STATISTICS BUT I DON'T WANT TO OVERLAP THE STORIES THAT ARE TOLD IN THE 10,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE BROUGHT HOME.

NATION WIDE ENCOMPASSING 12,000 CUSTOMERS 7000 LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, 1500 PLUS BUSINESSES FROM SMALL NEIGHBORHOODS, PRIVATE ENTITIES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT THE CITY COUNTY AND STATE LEVEL. FLOCK WAS STARTED IN 2017, AND

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THAT'S WHAT WE OFFER HERE AT FLOCK.

NOW I WANT TO BE DIRECT AND CLEAR, WE START OFF WITH THIS, AND A RPR IS AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER, THAT TECHNOLOGY IS NOT NEW IN AND OF ITSELF, THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 1970S AND WERE COMMERCIALIZED THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT NEW.

WHAT A ALPR DOES IS IT TAKES A PLATE IN TIME, STEEL IMAGE AT THE BACK OF A VEHICLE CAPTURING THE LICENSE PLATE, MAKE, MODEL AND OTHER OBJECTIVE VEHICLE JURISDICTIONS SUCH AS A ROOF RACK, BUMPER STICKER, BIKE RACK, AND THE OTHER OBJECTIVE IDENTIFYING FEATURE. IT DOES NOT CAPTURE WHAT WE CALL PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS NOT CAPTURING BIOMETRICS IT DOES NOT HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION AND DOES NOT IDENTIFY THE RACE, GENDER OF THE PERSON DRIVING THE VEHICLE. IT IS CAPTURING OBJECTIVE VEHICLE INFORMATION. OUR CAMERAS ARE AFFIXED LOCATIONS NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH ALPR THAT ARE IN FLEET VEHICLES THAT ARE ALSO IN THE ECOSYSTEM OF PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY. THESE ARE FIXED CAMERAS, TAKEN AT A POINT IN TIME IMAGE OF THE VEHICLE.

UTILIZES AI AND MACHINE LEARNING TO IDENTIFY THIS IS A RED CHEVY CRUZE WITH LICENSE PLATE XYZ, THAT'S THE ONLY COMPONENT OF AI THAT IS UTILIZED IN THE SYSTEM. OUR CAMERAS INTEGRATE WITH REALTIME ALERTS, THE HOTLIST VERIFIED THROUGH NCIC STANDS FOR NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER AND THAT IS A DATABASE SYSTEM THAT YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY USES TO NOT ONLY MONITOR CRIME BUT ALSO TRACK CRIME. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THEY'RE SENDING THAT INFORMATION TO NCIC WHICH IS A SEPARATE GOVERNMENT SYSTEM. OUR CAMERAS INTEGRATE WITH THAT SYSTEM AND MATCH LICENSE PLATES TO SAY LICENSE PLATE XYZ WAS MATCHED IN THIS HOTLIST AND GIVING THAT AGENCY AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. I WANT TO REEMPHASIZE THAT IT IS A LEAD, IT IS NOT JUDGE AND EXECUTIONER BECAUSE ONE IT DOES NOT VERIFY WHO IS IN THE VEHICLE AND AGAIN IS JUST A LEAD TO ALLOW FOR THAT AGENCY TO RESPOND EFFECTIVELY.

THE AGENCY PER THEIR POLICY THEY ACT ON WHAT THEY RECEIVE BASED ON WHETHER THEY HAVE MORE AT THE TIME.

I WANT TO ARTICULATE, AS NOT JUDGE AND EXECUTIONER.

WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHO IS DRIVING THE VEHICLE AND FURTHER INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT AND OUR SYSTEM ALLOWS FOR NEIGHBORING AGENCIES REGIONAL OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO COLLABORATE AND WORK TOGETHER EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY. THINK ABOUT A MISSING PERSONS CASE IF A CHILD IS ABDUCTED FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE NEWS IS DELIVERED EFFICIENTLY TO COLLABORATE IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO WITH NEIGHBORING AGENCIES TO FIND THAT CHILD, ESPECIALLY WHEN SECONDS MATTER. WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S MISSING? WHAT HAPPENS IF IT EXCHANGES? THAT'S WHY MACHINE LEARNING PICKS UP ADDITIONAL FEATURES SUCH AS MAKE, MODEL, A ROOF RACK, BECAUSE WE NEED OTHER ADDITIONAL LEAD CHARACTERISTICS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE SEEING THE RIGHT VEHICLE.

THINK OF SOMEONE ROBBED YOUR HOUSE AND THE DESCRIPTION YOU COULD GIVE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A WHITE F-150.

NOW THERE IS 100 F. -- WHITE F-150 AND THE CITIES IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO COME THROUGH, IS THE AGENCY SUPPOSED TO STOP EVERY CAR THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT? THAT'S HOW IT WOULD GO IN THE PAST. IT'S AN ADDITIONAL FEATURE THAT SPEAKS TO ACCURACY. IN ADDITION ONE THING THAT I WANT TO NOTE IN THE SYSTEM IS WHEN THE AGENCY IS ON THE ALERT THEY HAVE A CONFIDENCE LEVEL BASED ON VEHICLE DESCRIPTION THAT THEY PUT WITHIN THE SYSTEM TO SEE IF THAT MATCHES THE DESCRIPTION THEY ADDED TO. GOING BACK TO THE WHITE FORD F150, IF I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A FORD F-150 WITH A TOOLBOX THAT SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO SAY THIS IS 99% ACCURATE, THIS IS EXACTLY

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VERY DIFFERENT THAN ALPR. YOU WOULD NOT USE LIVE VIDEO CAMERA TO CAPTURE A LICENSE PLATE, THINK ABOUT HOW QUICKLY A CAR IS GOING BY AND HOW SMALL A LICENSE PLATE IS.

THERE'S DIFFERENT FUNCTIONALITIES OF A ALPR WHICH HAS 90 DEGREES OF POV WITH VIDEO CAMERA IS GETTING 360 DEGREES AND YOU CAN SEE A BIT MORE. TO RE-ARTICULATE WHAT IT DOES NOT HAVE, I DID WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO CAPABILITIES OF CAMERAS BECAUSE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ARE CONTROLLING THE DEFINITION OF CAMERAS SO I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH THAT. THIS SLIDE GOES OVER THOSE REALTIME ALERTS, LIKE I SAID THEY GO THROUGH NCIC, TEXAS HAS ITS OWN CRIME INFORMATION CENTER, SERVER ALERTS, THESE ARE THE HOTLIST THAT YOUR AGENCY HAS THE ABILITY TO OPT INTO AND TO OPT INTO WHAT KIND OF ALERTS THEY ARE RECEIVING IN REALTIME HERE TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT WITHIN 20S IF A VEHICLE IS LINKED THROUGH A CRIME THROUGH NCIC, IT'S NOTIFIED WITHIN 20S. WITHOUT VEHICLE PASSING THE CAMERA. AGAIN, POINT IN TIME IMAGE, CAPTURING THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE BUT DOES NOT TRACK YOU IN THE WHOLE OF YOUR MOVEMENTS, I'LL GO MORE DEEPER INTO THAT WHEN I GET INTO SOME CASE LAW. ALL IN ALL I WANT TO GO OVER SOME APPLICATIONS OF HOW THE SYSTEM IS BUILT WITH PRIVACY IN MIND AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR IN THE ANSWERS I'M GIVING TODAY.

PROVIDING REAL DATA, IT'S 100% OWNED BY YOU THE CUSTOMER, THE AGENCY AND IT WILL NEVER BE SOLD FULL STOP HERE PRIVATE CUSTOMERS SUCH AS HRA'S, PRIVATE BUSINESSES IN HOME DEPOT, DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR AGENCY DATA AND YOUR AGENCY CAMERAS.

ALSO ADDITIONALLY DATA IS AUTOMATICALLY DILUTED BY DEFAULT, HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN 30 DAYS.

WE'VE RECENTLY SHORTENED THAT RETENTION TO SEVEN DAYS BY DEFAULT FOR NEW AND EXISTING CUSTOMERS.

IT'S BY DEFAULT. THEY'RE ABLE TO SET THEIR RETENTION LEVEL BASED OFF WHAT ARE THE LOCAL AND STATE ORDINANCES THEY FILE UNDER. AGAIN, DOES NOT TAKE IMAGES OF PII, PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION, IS CAPTURING PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION SO IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN AN OFFICER THAT THE CAMERA IS IN LOOKING AT THEM AND LOOKING AT CARS GOING BY. AND AGAIN YOUR AGENCIES DECIDE COMPLETELY AND FREELY WHO SHARES THEIR DATA AND WHO HAS ACCESS TO THEIR DATA. FLOC DOES NOT SET THOSE DECISIONS FULLY, TO ARTICULATE AGAIN NO FLOCK CAMERAS HAVE OR CAN DO FACIAL RECOGNITION. MOVING ON TO DATA SECURITY, EVENT THAT WERE NOT CAPTURING PERSONAL INFORMATION, OR BIOMETRICS WE STILL MAKE SURE THAT DATA SECURITY IS THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE HERE. THE INDUSTRY LEADING CERTIFICATIONS, THE SOFTWARE CAPITALIST A FEW.

27 CALCULUS GOES ON ALL OF THOSE WHO ACQUIRE SIGNIFICANT PARAMETERS TO MAINTAIN THE QUARTERLY BASIS AND BI BASIS.

IN ADDITION TO WHERE THE DATA IS HOUSED, THE DOVE CLOUD, IT'S THE HIGHEST ECHELON OF DATA STORAGE, IT'S THE SAME STORAGE CAPACITY OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HOUSES OUR DEEPEST DARKEST SECRETS, YOU DON'T GET MUCH HIGHER THERAPEUTIC SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS WHERE THE DATA IS STORED, BY DEFAULT OR WHATEVER THE RETENTION LEVEL IS, IS DELETED AFTER 30 DAYS, IS DELETED I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR WITH THAT APPEAR WHAT REMAINS AND THIS IS ON TRANSPARENCY IS THE AUDIT RECORDS.

WE HAVE THE PRIVATE AUDIT LOGS HERE AND THAT'S WHAT REMAINS AND IS BIG TO THE TRANSPARENCY OF HOW THE SYSTEM IS BEING USED OVER TIME. ALL IN ALL WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU AS A COMMUNITY AND YOUR AGENCY HAS A PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM THAT NOT ONLY OPERATES EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY BUT CAN BE OPERATED RESPONSIBLY, TRANSPARENTLY AND COMES WITH OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNANCE. AND SO HERE I HAVE LISTED OUT SOME OF THE SAFEGUARDS IN THE SYSTEM BY DESIGN, FIRST AND FOREMOST AGAIN TO ARTICULATE IT SETS PRIORITIES ON WHO THEY

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TRANSPARENCY, IT'S A CUSTOMIZED EXTERNAL FACING QUOTA THAT EVERY AGENCY HAS THE ABILITY TO SHOWCASE ON HOW THE SYSTEM IS BEING UTILIZED, WHAT THE POLICIES ARE, WHAT THE USERS RATE AND WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM.

I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR TRANSPARENCY PORTAL UP AND RUNNING, THAT IS A COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZED PORTAL TO ANSWER A LOT OF COMMON COMMUNITY QUESTIONS ON SYSTEM USAGE.

ENCRYPTED DATA, AGAIN I RUN THROUGH SOME OTHER CERTIFICATIONS WE HAVE AND ARTICULATED HOW IT'S STORED IN THE GOV CLOUD, MANDATORY OFFENSE TYPES AND FILTERS.

EVERY SEARCH OF THE SYSTEM REQUIRES A SEARCH REASON AND AN OFFENSE TYPE. OFFENSE TYPES ARE CATEGORIZED BY MICROSCOPES, A STANDS FOR NATIONAL REPORT BASED SYSTEMS, THOSE 60 DIFFERENT CODES, THEY CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM A BURGLARY TO MURDER CHARACTER THEFT, THE LIST GOES ON.

THOSE ARE THE RECENTLY WE'VE STARTED TO HAVE MANDATORY REQUIRED IN CASE CODE, AN ACTIVE CASE CODE AS WELL.

ADDITIONALLY EVERYTHING IN THIS SYSTEM IS IMMUTABLE, YOU CANNOT DELETE IT. OUTSIDE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL PARAMETERS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, YOU HAVE WHAT YOU CALL AUDIT RECORDS. THERE'S AN ORGANIZATIONAL AUDIT WHICH IS THE ABC ITSELF AND THE NETWORK AUDIT THAT YOUR A BC WILL BE ABLE TO PULL ON WHATEVER THEY WOULD LIKE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT TO SUPPORT WITH AUDIT YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL FEATURES LIKE AN AUDIT ASSIST TOOL, AN AUDIT ASSIST TOOL WILL FILE ANY ATYPICAL ACTIVITY WITHIN THE SYSTEM FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO REVIEW. WHAT I MEAN BY ATYPICAL ACTIVITY, SAY I AM SEARCHING ONE LICENSE PLATE BUT I'M ASSOCIATING TEN DIFFERENT OFFENSE TYPES OR I'M SEARCHING ONE LICENSE PLATE OVER UNUSUAL. OF TIME OVER 30 DAYS.

THIS CAN GO ON WHAT A TYPICAL ACTIVITY IS LIKE AND IT WOULD PROMPT THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR FURTHER REVIEW.

IF SOMETHING NEFARIOUS HAPPENED BUT MAYBE IT'S TRAINING MAYBE IT'S THANKS TO POLICY ON HOW WE'RE UTILIZING THE POLICY WE FLAG A THERAPEUTIC A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT AUDITING IN THEORY BUT THAT TAKES AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON ADMINISTRATORS AND SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE ADDITIONALLY HELPING OUR CUSTOMERS TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE EFFECTIVELY LOSING -- USING THE TOOL AS WELL AND CAN TRANSPARENTLY COMMUNICATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE SYSTEM AND AGAIN ARTICULATED IN THE AUDIT RETENTION BY DEFAULT. HERE IS A SCREENSHOT OF WHAT I MEAN THIS IS A SKILL SHOT OF THE PLATFORM AS YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE OFFENSE TYPE, SEARCH RECENT CASE NUMBERS, UNDER THAT YOU CAN SEE THE CODES LISTED THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE PLATE NUMBER IF YOU HAVE IT, LOCATION AND AT THE BOTTOM THERE YOU CAN SEE 15 MINUTES, TWO HOURS, THREE DAYS WHAT IN THE EXAMPLE AND SO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT REASON TO UTILIZE THESE SYSTEMS AND EVERY SEARCH IN THE SYSTEM IS IMMUTABLE. THIS RIGHT HERE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF TRANSPARENCY FURTHER, AS AN EXTERNAL FACING PHOTO BUT ALLOWS FOR YOUR AGENCY TO COMMUNICATE THE USAGE RATES AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THE SYSTEM. IT MIGHT BE HARD FOR SOME TO SEE BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE THEY HAVE DATA AT/THEY.

NUMBER OF CAMERAS, THE -- WHO THEY ARE SHARING WITH, OUTLINING WHAT HAPPENED, PROHIBITED USE OF THE SYSTEM, WAS NOT DETECTED, WHAT IS DETECTED. AGAIN THIS IS YOUR ABILITY TO TRANSPARENTLY COMMUNICATE HOW THE SYSTEM IS BEING UTILIZED.

I'M WONDERING IF I CAN PLAY THIS VIDEO.

THIS IS TO ARTICULATE THE AUDIT ASSISTANT TOOL, IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY FLAG ANY OF THOSE ATYPICAL SEARCH PATTERNS, OR USES OTHER SYSTEM AS WELL. IT'S NOT GOING TO PLAY MY VIDEOS AT ALL OKAY. SO MOVING ON OKAY, EVERYONE IN HERE CAN AGREE AND MAYBE EVEN HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHAT SAFETY IS BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS WE BELIEVE LOCK AND WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH LEADERS AND LEGISLATORS IS A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE EITHER PUBLIC SAFETY OR YOU WANT PRIVACY.

WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A BALANCE, TOOLS COME WITH RESPONSIBILITY BUT PUBLIC GOVERNANCE AND OVERSIGHT.

AND SO HERE I HAVE TWO APPROACHES, ONCE FOR THE CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS AND INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, ONE COMPLIMENTS THE LEGALITY OF ALPR AND DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A POINT IN TIME IMAGE ON A PUBLIC CAPTURING THE LICENSE PLATE AND

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WHERE UP TO 59 DIFFERENT COURT CASES THAT SUPPORT THE LEGALITY OF ALPR USE IN DEFEATING THE ABILITY BETWEEN SELF LOCATION TRACK AND, AND GPS TRACKING. MOST NOTABLY WHAT APPLIES TO TEXAS AS OF MARCH 17TH, COURT OF APPEALS THEY STATED THE SAME THING, LEGALITY OF THE ALPR AND DOES NOT VIOLATE YOUR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS. UNDER THAT MYTH OUT THERE IS THAT FLOCK SELLS CUSTOMER DATA, THAT IS A MYTH.

YOU THE CUSTOMER HAVE 100% OWNERSHIP OF YOUR DATA AND WE DO NOT SELL DATA. I PROVIDED THE COUNSELORS WITH SOME DOCUMENTATION OUTLINING WHAT THAT DATA DELETION PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. ONCE IT'S DELETED IT'S GONE AND IRRECOVERABLE. FLOCKS PRIVATE CUSTOMERS HAVE ACCESS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT DATA, IS NOT TRUE.

THE HOAS DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT DATA.

ANOTHER MYTH THAT THE CAMERAS HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION I CANNOT BE MORE CLEAR THAT FLOCK CAMERAS DO NOT UTILIZE FACIAL RECOGNITION. I WANT TO ADD IN THE BACK END OF THIS. STARTED TO CHANGE HOW I TALK ABOUT THIS PICK ONE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAYING THAT I AGREE, FACIAL RECOGNITION IS NOT ILLEGAL TWO THERE ARE COMPANIES OUT THERE -- TECHNOLOGY AND CAMERAS THAT UTILIZE FACIAL RECOGNITION AND CAPTURE BIOMETRIC DATA. THOSE ARE NOT FLOCK CAMERAS AND SO THAT WHAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT FROM OTHER VENDORS OUT THERE, THEY'VE MADE THE LEGAL CHOICE TO DO THOSE THINGS.

I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT YES THE TECHNOLOGY IS OUT THERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S BEEN HERE, THOSE ARE NOT WITHIN FLOCK CAMERAS.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. AND ANOTHER MYTH OUT THERE IS FLOCK CAMERAS COLLECT PRIVATE INFORMATION IT DOES NOT CAPTURE PII, RES, GENDER, WEIGHT, RELIGION, NONE OF THAT IS IDENTIFIABLE BY ANY FLOCK CAMERA.

IN ADDITION TO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CUSTOMERS AND SMALL CAMERAS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE HAVE TRUSTED COMMODITY PRODUCTS AS WELL, THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN, HAVE -- HEAVILY UTILIZING OUR TECHNOLOGY FOR CHILDREN WHO ARE ABDUCTED. AS I STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR TECHNOLOGY IT HELPS BRING HOME 10,000 MISSING PEOPLE LAST YEAR ALONE AND IT STANDS FOR MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING WHO UTILIZES THE TECHNOLOGY TO COMBAT DRUNK DRIVING INCIDENTS AND HIT AND RUNS. HERE I HAVE A STATEMENT FROM THE OAKLAND CHAPTER TOUCHING ON HOW THESE TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY ASSIST IN POLICING BECAUSE IT'S ROOTED IN SUBJECTIVE LAW AND ALLOWS FOR OBJECTIVE DATA DRIVEN IMPLICATION OF TECHNOLOGY, OPERATED OUT HERE FOR THE AUDIENCE IN CASE YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN A MOMENT WHEN OUR COMMUNITIES ARE DEALING WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AND JUSTICE, THE TECHNOLOGIES OFFER TO REDUCE BIAS IN POLICING. IT'S DESIGNED TO PROTECT VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH A CRIME AND REMOVING THE SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENT THAT TOO OFTEN IT STOPS IN HARMFUL INTERACTIONS WITH BLACK AND BROWN RESIDENTS IT'S A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF HOW TECHNOLOGY CAN SUPPORT SIMPLE AND FAIRER POLICING.

IT SPEAKS TO WE DO NOT KNOW WHO WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE VEHICLE.

IT REMOVES THAT ENTIRELY. WE ARTICULATED FACTORS NOT SELL CUSTOMER DATA. 4.1 TO 4.4 OTHER CONTRACT, IT'S OUTLINED HERE, WE DO NOT SELL YOUR DATA.

I CANNOT ARTICULATE THAT ENOUGH, IT'S PER THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT. CLARIFYING IT'S ALSO IN THE CONTRACT WITH IT WHICH IS THE LICENSE.

THIS IS VERY STANDARD LANGUAGE, ACROSS MULTIPLE INDUSTRIES ON WHAT A LICENSE IS. TO BE CLEAR WHAT THAT INCLUDES IS, I WILL TRY TO MAKE IT VERY FRANK AND LAYMAN TERMS, WE HAVE ACCESS -- LIMITED ACCESS TO YOUR DATA IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE THE AI MACHINE LEARNING MODEL.

WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? IMAGINE WHEN A CYBERTRUCK CAME

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WE WOULD HAVE TO TRAIN THE AI MODEL TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT TO SPEAK TO ACCURACY. SAME THING WHEN THEY COME UP WITH NEW PLATES. SMALL SUBSET OF IMAGES THAT ARE MAINTAINED FOR THAT DOES NOT CONTINUOUSLY HAVING ACCESS TO YOUR DATA. I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH WHAT A PERPETUAL LICENSE IS AND WE ARTICULATE THAT AS VERY STANDARD ACROSS MULTIPLE INDUSTRIES. GOING INTO CASE LAW, 58 COURT CASE A CHALLENGING THIS FOR MANY THINGS, ALL OF THOSE COURTS ARE UNIFORM IN THE LEGALITY OF ALPR AND IMPLEMENTATION BETWEEN REQUIRING A WARRANT AND NOT REQUIRING A WARRANT.

I HAVE TWO HERE, I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CASE THAT'S STUDIED.

PAST DECADE, 15 YEARS IS NOT A NEW CONCEPT.

THEY ARE UNANIMOUS IN THEIR DECISIONS AND ARTICULATE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PRECISE LOCATION APTITUDE THAT GOES INTO A CELL PHONE THAT NEVER LEAVES YOUR PERSON, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SPACE VERSUS A POINT IN TIME IMAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET OF A PUBLIC GOVERNING DOCUMENT. ALL IN ALL I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE BUT I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK ON THE IMPACT THAT TECHNOLOGIES ARE HAVING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WHETHER THAT'S FINDING A PREDATOR, WHETHER THAT'S FINDING A MURDERER, OR A SEXUAL ASSAULT, A ROBBERY, THESE ARE REAL CASES AND HAVE A REAL IMPACT IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AGAIN, FLOCK STARTED OUT A SMALL COMPANY OUT OF ATLANTA, GEORGIA, AND SO IT WAS NOT BY ACCIDENT THAT WE GREW TO HAVE OVER 12,000 CUSTOMERS, AND ONE THING THAT I ALWAYS SAY IS THAT PUBLIC TRUST IS HARD TO GET BUT IT'S ALSO HARD TO KEEP AND SO WITH THE EVOLUTION OF POLICING BUT ALSO COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN A POSITION OF MAKING OUR TECHNOLOGY BETTER AND A LOT OF CUSTOMERS WANT THE AGENCY TO BE EFFICIENT IN DOING THE JOB. THERE'S A BALANCE IN SCRUTINY THAT GOES INTO THAT. ADDITIONALLY AS I COME TO MY CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION HERE IS A QR CODE THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE FLOCK TRUST HUB WHICH DIRECTLY ANSWERS A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS OUT THERE. WE ARE NOT SHYING AWAY FROM A LOT OF THE VALID CONCERNS THAT ARE ALSO OUT THERE BUT ADDRESSING HEAD ON THE MISINFORMATION OF WHAT IS OUT THERE AS WELL. I WILL CONCLUDE WITH MY PRESENTATION HERE TODAY, I GAVE YOU SOME DETAILS AND ACCURATE FACTUAL INFORMATION SO WE CAN HAVE TALKS ABOUT HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY SHOULD BE GOVERNED, WHAT THE POLICY SHOULD BE AND I'M GLAD WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE FOUNDATION OF HOW THE TECHNOLOGY WORKS HERE AND SO WITH THAT I WILL OPEN IT

UP TO QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. >> RIGHT NOW I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR CHIEF AND BELIEVE COUNCIL I WILL OPEN IT UP TO

ANYONE ELSE. >> CHIEF YOU MENTIONED THE CAMERAS IN THE CITY, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE LIBERTY HILL IS A LARGE AREA BUT THE CITY OF LIBERTY HILL IS FIVE SQUARE MILES. LIBERTY HILL IS OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW. I KNOW I SAW A MAP THAT SHOWS A LOT MORE THAN SEVEN SO I'M ASSUMING, HOW MANY CAMERAS ARE THERE IN OUR CITY LIMITS BESIDES OUR SEVEN WOW.

>> ONLY ONES IN THE CITY LIMIT ARE OUR SEVEN AND POSSIBLY ONE IN STONEWALL, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE IT'S AT.

INSIDE OR JUST OUTSIDE. A COMMUNITY OR TWO ALSO HAVE

THEM. >> WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA

AND THOSE COMMUNITIES? >> WE HAVE STONE, WE HAVE SOME DOWN 200, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ALL OF THEM.

>> TO ADD TO THAT, THE HOA PRESIDENT OF THE RANCH, THEIR COMMUNITY HOA DECIDED TO PUT THEM IN THERE.

PERHAPS THAT'S IN CITY LIMITS AND FOR MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ONLY SHARED THAT INFORMATION, THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY SHERIFF'S

DEPARTMENT. >> THOSE CAMERAS IN THE HOA ARE

NOT PART OF OUR CONTRACT. >> NO.

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CONTRACT, THEIR HOA HAS THEIR OWN CONTRACT

WITH FLOC. >> AND THEN THEY HAVE TO PARTNER WITH AN AGENCY TO GET THAT DATA. THEY CAN'T BE WITH WHICHEVER PARTNER AGENCY, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE

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CITY. >> I WOULD SAY SOME OTHER THINGS WE SEE POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT SHOWS A LOT OF FLOCK CAMERAS ALONG ALL OF OUR STRIP CENTERS AND ALL OF THAT WE DON'T

HAVE CAMERAS. >> OH.

WE HAVE THE SEVEN. THERE IS ONE ON THE MAP I SAW ON 214TH, I CAN'T FIND IT. I DON'T KNOW WHOSE IT IS BUT I DON'T SEE IT I DON'T THINK THAT IS A GPS ERROR BUT IT'S NOT ONE

OF OURS, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT. >> I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A CORRECTION, I WANT TO MAKE THAT CORRECTION. I WANT TO KNOW HOW OFTEN WE CONDUCT THE REGULAR AUDITS TO ENSURE THE PROPER USAGE.

>> AT THE SERGEANT LEVEL IT'S VERY REGULAR, WEEKLY.

THEN WE DO COMMAND STAFF LEVEL, LIEUTENANT OVER THE PROGRAM WHERE HE VERIFIES THE ROUTINE AUDITS ARE BEING DONE AND THEN ALSO DOES THE SPOT AUDIT, DIFFERENT DATA THAN WHAT WAS

AUDITED AT THE START. >> A LEADS TO USER.

YOU HAD MENTIONED SOME SORT OF FAIL-SAFE AND ORDER WAS HIS TOOL

THAT AUTOMATICALLY -- >> THAT IS NEW.

>> WE'VE ONLY HAD IT IN A FEW MONTHS.

>> IT'S A NEW PROGRAM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE TRAINING NOW AND BASICALLY IT HELPS US DOCUMENT.

>> IF WE HAVE AN IN-HOUSE PROCESS AND POLICY AND YET YOU DO TO MORE OF ACCOUNTABILITY, HOW DOES THIS TOOL WORK WITH WHAT -- TO ENSURE THE PUBLIC AND SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC IT WOULD COINCIDE WITH WHATEVER EXISTING POLICY YOU HAVE, IF TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE DOING AN AUDIT IT'S A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK SO THAT'S ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN AND WHAT THIS AI TOOL DOING IS FLAGGING ANY ATYPICAL SO YOU SEE AT THE TOP AND ADMINISTRATOR WHO WILL HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO CLICK IT AND VERIFY IT AND GO THROUGH IT. IT GOES DOWN THROUGH THE USER THAT THEY SEARCHED FOR. THAT'S HOW THE TOOL OPERATES BUT

CAN BE REFLECTIVE OF ANY POLICY. >> MY OTHER QUESTION IS, PULLING DATA FROM A LICENSE PLATE OR LICENSE PLATE THAT MIGHT BE IN THE SYSTEM WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FIND A CHILD, IF WE DID NOT HAVE FLOC IS THERE ANOTHER SYSTEM THAT THEY WOULD

BE ABLE TO USE? >> THAT WOULD FALL GREATLY ON YOU GUYS, IT'S A DIFFERENT COMPANY JUST DIFFERENT.

>> IF WE DO NOT HAVE ANY FLOC, FLOC IS A COMPANY THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH. THERE'S OTHER COMPANIES THAT DO

THE SAME THING. >> IT'S GETTING THEIR CAMERAS, NARROW IT DOWN. YOU'RE LOOKING RANDOMLY FOR WHITE PICKUPS TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING FOR IT.

HOPING YOU PASS IT SOME DAY. SP WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AUDITING AND HOLDING OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR PULLING INFORMATION, I KNOW THOSE STORIES OUT THERE OF THE SYSTEM BEING USED.

I GUESS I'M ASKING THAT SAME SITUATION HAPPENED, WHETHER WE HAD THOUGHT OR WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

>> ANY TOOL CAN BE MISUSED. PUTTING POLICIES IN PLACE AND THEN HOLDING THE PERSON THAT VIOLATED THE POLICY ACCOUNTABLE.

>> IF I MAY ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR THERE, HISTORICALLY LIKE SHE SAID IT WOULD BE WORD OF MOUTH, MAYBE THEY CAUGHT YOU AND SAID THERE'S THIS WHITE F-150 THAT COMMITTED THIS CRIME, EITHER YOU SEE IT OR YOU DON'T. THERE'S NO REALTIME SYSTEM TO IT. THAT'S WHY IT'S A POWERFUL POWERFUL TOOL. IN ADDITION TO THE SECOND QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, LIKE YOU SAID NO TOOL IS EVERY TOOL CAN BE ABUSED WHETHER THAT'S A TASER, WHETHER THAT'S A FIREARM.

AND SO I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BEHIND IT IS THE MECHANISMS AND SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO CATCH THAT ABUSE.

TO YOUR POINT YES THERE HAVE BEEN STORIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY

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>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE LONG LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WE SET OUT.

GOING BACK TO THE AUDIT AND THIS IS WHERE IT COMES DOWN, THAT IS THE RED FLAG ASPECT. WE CAN FLAG, DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S LOOKING UP THE PLATE NUMBER THAT WE KNOW, DO WE HAVE THESE THINGS. IF I UNDERSTAND YOU RIGHT, THAT A NEW TOOL THAT WE'RE NOT USING AT?

>> WE WATCHED THAT IN MARCH I BELIEVE, IN THAT.

OF TIME IT WAS NOT MANDATORY FOR AGENCIES TO HAVE THAT ON, AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO IT'S MANDATORY FOR EVERY AGENCY TO HAVE THAT.

>> FOR ME THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO PREVENT THE MISUSE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY MISUSED IT IT JUST MEANS IT RAISES A RED FLAG FOR THE CHIEF OR THE CITY MANAGER TO CHECK IT OUT.

>> THAT'S WHAT THE AUDIT IS. IF TAKEN THE HUME IT OUTDOORS.

AND WE'RE MAKING SURE IT WAS THE GOVERNMENT.

>> IT CAN HELP YOU DO THAT RECENTLY.

>> WE HAVE BEEN AUDITING ONE CAMERA, AS SOON AS WE HAVE

SEVEN. >> IT WORKED FOR ONE CAMERA BUT NOW WE HAVE SEVEN AND THEIR TOOL WAS FAIRLY NEW.

ONCE WE GET THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS IS, AS I SCROLL DOWN THAT LONG LIST, WE SAID WE ALLOW OTHER AGENCIES TO USE IT.

THAT MEANS YOU'RE ACCESSING THE DATA AT OUR SOURCE, THERE'S A LOG OF HOW THEY'RE ACCESSING IT, THEY CANNOT COPY IT AND LEAVE IT TO THEIR DATABASE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT I'M

ALL ABOUT DATA GOVERNANCE. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT ACCESS MEANS. SO IF A BC WHO YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN SHARING ACCESS TO, IF THE VEHICLE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THEY DON'T RECEIVE ANY DATA B BACK.

>> NO WAY SOMEBODY -- I APPRECIATE IT.

WE HEAR ALL THE STORIES ABOUT DATA CENTERS, AI, I APPRECIATE EVERY COMMUNITY'S CONCERN CAN SOMEBODY TAKE THIS DATA, PUT IT INTO ANOTHER DATABASE, USE IT. BUT REST ASSURED I WILL HAVE 27 MESSAGES FROM FACEBOOK ABOUT FLOCK CAMERAS WHEN I GET HOME FROM JUST THIS DISCUSSION. WE ARE BEING TRACKED IN OTHER WAYS AND I THINK THERE IS A CONCERN.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE CAN COPY OUR DATA AND USE IT FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE IN ANY OTHER PLACE.

>> I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY.

IF AN INVESTIGATION IS NEEDED, ANOTHER AGENCY CAN DOWNLOAD IT.

SEE IF THE INVESTIGATION GOES PAST 30 DAYS OR SEVEN DAYS OR WHATEVER THE RETENTION LEVEL IS. IT'S SPECIFIC.

>> THEY WOULD SEARCH FOR THEIR SUSPECT VEHICLE.

>> IS A SPECIFIC CASE, SPECIFIC THING BECAUSE I NEED TO USE IT FOR EVIDENCE THAT IT IS NOT COPYING OUR DATA CENTER IN ANY

FASHION. >> NO, AND TO CLARIFY I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GIVING YOU ALL THE DETAILS, YOU'RE ONLY GETTING THE IMAGE. WHAT DO WE REALLY MEAN BY DATA, THEY'RE GETTING THE BACK OF THE LICENSE PLATE AND CAPTURE THE VEHICLE WHICH IS WATERMARKED WITH WHEN IT WAS TAKEN, WHEN IT WAS DOWNLOADED, WHO WAS THE USER ACCESS, WHAT WAS THE LOCATION.

ALL OF THAT IS MARKED ON THERE AS WELL.

>> LET ME JUST SAY THE RED FLAG THING IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

WITH ANYTHING, HAVING DEALT WITH TECHNOLOGY, INTERNAL CONTROLS IS THERE AND WHILE THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF VIEWS THAT AI MIGHT REPLACE AS, RIGHT NOW IT DOES NOT REPLACE A PART THAT'S HUMAN AND THERE HAS TO BE A GOOD PROCESS IN PLACE TO UTILIZE THE TECHNOLOGY SO THE RED FLAG ACCESS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO

ME. >> ONE LAST QUESTION,.

>> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION TO WIN.

>> YES. I'LL GO QUICK.

YOU MENTIONED THAT WE DO NOT CARRY LIVE VIDEO CAMERAS, WE DO THE LPR'S, IS THERE ANY INTENTION OF MOVING TO LIVE CAMERAS WOW THOU WE STILL HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL IF THAT EVER

CHANGED, GOT IT THANK YOU. >> I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS,

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SUCCESS? >> THE TRAINING THAT WE TAKE BEFORE THEY HAVE ACCESS, HOW THEY USE OUR POLICY IS PART OF THAT THE EXAMPLES OF GOOD USE ACTORS.

AND THEN THE NEW TOOL FOR THE AUDIT IS WHAT WE'RE LEARNING, IT'S AT THE LIEUTENANT LEVEL RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE HE'S THE PRIMARY AUDITOR AND THEN THE SERGEANTS WILL GIVE THAT TOOL AND HELP IT'S WAY MORE EFFICIENT THAN THE SPREADSHEET AND LOOKING FOR ABNORMAL USAGE. IT DOESN'T STAND OUT.

>> I THINK YOU'RE ASKING THE DATE, WHEN DID THEY COMPLETE

THEIR TRAINING? >> I WANT WHEN IT ENTAILED, WHAT SPECIFICALLY MEASUREMENT ARE YOU USING TO SAY THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINED ON THESE DAYS AND THIS IS THE MATERIAL THEY WERE TRAINED ON SO WE CAN RECONCILE THAT SHOULD THE MISUSE OCCUR?

>> I DON'T KNOW IT WAS JUST AS WE IMPLEMENTED THE SYSTEM AND WE ALL DID IT AT THE SAME TIME. BEFORE WE TURNED IT ON.

AND THEN AS NEW OFFICERS COME IN THEY TAKE THE TRAINING CLASSES.

>> I THINK THIS IS PART OF A LARGER QUESTION I'VE ASKED IN THE PAST AT THIS SPECIFIC STAFF TRAININGS, AND SO I'M JUST STUCK ON WHAT THIS TRAINING ENTAILS AND LOOKS LIKE BUT I WOULD LIKE A BIT OF CLARITY ON WHAT THAT DOES LOOK LIKE.

>> IT'S CALLED FLOCK ACADEMY ONE THE PARAMETERS OF THE SYSTEM, HOW TO TYPE IN A SEARCH, NO OFFENSE TYPE, MANDATORY CASE CODE WITH TYPING IT AND SHOWCASING THE PARAMETERS THE AGENCY THROUGH DEFAULT SETTINGS SUCH AS RETENTION THE AUTO ASSISTANT TOOLS, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT BEST PRACTICES AS WELL. POLICY, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SYSTEM. WHAT YOU SHOULD NOT TYPE IN THE SYSTEM YOU CAN SEE WHAT FLOCK ACADEMY THE HOA IS GO THROUGH THE SAME TYPE OF FORMAL TRAINING BUT HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE TRAININGS AS WELL AND HOW TO UTILIZE THE SYSTEM AS WELL.

THAT CAN EASILY BE SENT OVER FOR REVIEW.

>> AS A FOLLOW UP TO YOUR QUESTION.

SO DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO ONLY USE IT IN THESE INSTANCES AND THERE WILL BE REPERCUSSIONS IF THEY USE IT FOR ANY OTHER INSTANCE AND WE HAVE THEM SIGN OFF TO THAT EFFECT THAT I HAVE BEEN TRAINED ON THIS, I UNDERSTAND? TO ME I THINK THAT WOULD BE

HELPFUL. >> THEY SIGN OFF ON THE POLICY

AND THAT'S IT. >> THE POLICY THAT THEY SIGN AND

THEY KNOW THERE'S REPERCUSSIONS. >> EVERY MONTH WE HAVE THIS ON THE POLICY AND IT PICKS DIFFERENT ONES RANDOMLY.

>> I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE ENTIRE THING. I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS AND THEN WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE NOT ONLY SAID HERE TODAY BUT ARE FLOODING OUR INBOXES AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S SAFETY IS SUBJECTIVE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE OR DEFINITION OF WHAT SAFETY FEELS LIKE FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON BUT I'M WONDERING HOW YOU RECONCILE THE FEELING OF FEELING SAFE WHEN THE CAMERAS ARE IN USE AND THE FEELING OF FEELING SAFE WHEN YOU ARE NOT BEING SURVEYED. I MENTION THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE INTEREST YOU HAVE IF HE CAN GO BACK SIX OR SO SLIDES THERE'S AN IMAGE ON THE RIGHT THAT SHOWS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE COMPUTER. IN A COUPLE OF MORE.

>> BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> THERE'S AN IMAGE, RIGHT THERE. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS

IMAGE WE'RE BACKWARDS. >> THIS ONE?

>> THAT ONE. WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS IMAGE IS THIS A LIVE LOCAL LOOK OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE

IN THE PROGRAM? >> NO, MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO SLIDES, IT MIGHT BE HARDER TO SEE BUT IF YOU SEE THAT BLACK TESLA. THAT IS MORE SO WHAT THE IMAGE IS CAPTURED ON THE ALPR. IT'S A VALID CALL OUT OR CONCERN

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>> THIS IS WHAT WAS CAPTURED ON THE ALPR.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IS NOT JUST LICENSE PLATE, YOU HAVE AN INSTANCE YOU MENTIONED IT WAS A PIECE OF A TAILGATE THAT DID HELP TO IDENTIFY.

THERE ARE STILL VALID CONCERNS FOR FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE WALKING BY OR TIME STAMPED WHEN IT EVEN OCCURS HOW IS NOT USED SUBJECTIVELY. I THINK BY A HUMAN WHO'S ALSO LOOKING FOR IT IN OTHER WAYS, GUESS I DO SEARCH THE LICENSE PLATE, HOW ARE WE ENSURING I CAN NOW SEE WHO'S EXITING THAT VEHICLE AND FOR WHATEVER REASON WE CAN BUILD A CASE AGAINST

SOMEONE ELSE. >> THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

JUST TO REVIEW HOW IT WORKS IN THE FUNCTION.

IS NOT LIVE VIDEO RECORDING LIKE A CCTV CAMERA.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PICTURE. AGAIN, I WANT TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT, IT HAS A 90-DEGREE ANGLE OF USE.

THE POSITION TO CATCH THE LICENSE PLATE YOU HAVE TO BE POSITIONED PRETTY FAIRLY. IF A PERSON AND I DOUBT IT WOULD BE EVEN IF THEY WERE IN THAT IMAGE, YOU CANNOT USE THE SYSTEM TO TRACK THAT PERSON, THAT WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY BLOCKED AND FLAGGED. THAT'S WHAT WE CALL PROTECTIVE CLASS, GRACE, GENDER AND THE SYSTEM WILL FLAG THAT.

IN ADDITION TO IT BEING A REGULAR CAMERA.

IS STILL A CAMERA. IS NO -- NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY

OTHER CAMERA. >> THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE STILL NOTICEABLE FROM THOSE IMAGES. I COULD STILL SEE A PERSON.

>> KEEP IN MIND THERE IN THE LANE IN TRAFFIC.

FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. >> BUT NOT JUST ON 29TH THERE'S

OTHER LOCATIONS. >> EITHER WAY, THERE'S ONLY

FOCUS ON THE LANES OF TRAVEL? >> YES.

>> HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT SOMEONE. >> THERE'S A MOMENT THAT THE CAR GOES INTO THE FRAME BEFORE THE CAMERA TO TAKE THAT ONE STILL SHOT AND THE PERSON GETTING OUT OF THE CAR THAT WOULD BE

IMPOSSIBLE. >> I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO THINK

OF ALL THE VARIABLES. >> I THINK MY LAST QUESTION THOUGH THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION FOR THE TIME BEING BUT ADDITIONAL ONES I THINK WILL BE CLARIFIED WHEN THE MATERIAL IS PROVIDED. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT WAS THAT ALLOWED YOU TO PUT IN PLACE THOSE ADDITIONAL STOP GAPS TO REQUIRE THEN. YOU MENTIONED SOME UPDATES, WAS IT SOMETHING THAT INFORMED YOU AS A COMPANY, OR SOMETHING THAT SPOKE TO YOU AND WHAT OCCURRED THAT SAID WE NEED TO MAKE

ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS? >> AS A COMPANY YOU GROW AND LEARN, A LOT OF THOSE SAFEGUARDS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INSTILLED.

WHERE THEY MANDATORY? NO.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING THE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE WHERE WE DOUBLE DOWN OR STRENGTHENED THEM.

THAT DOUBLING DOWN OR STRENGTHENING THEM.

THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN WITHIN THE SYSTEM IS JUST VARIABLE ON WHETHER IT WAS MANDATORY OR NOT. YOU LIVE AND YOU LEARN.

SO WITH THE EVOLVING EXPECTATIONS OF COMMUNITY LEADERS, POLICYMAKERS ON HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY IS BEING IMPLEMENTED AND UTILIZED AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, TEXAS IS MAY BE OPERATING IT AND HAVE DIFFERENT POLICIES BEHIND IT THAN CALIFORNIA OR WASHINGTON AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S EVEN MORE IMPERATIVE THAT WE ALLOW FOR LOCAL CONTROL OVER HOW THOSE SAFEGUARDS ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED AND POLICIES BEING IMPLEMENTED BEHIND IT. AS OF LAST WEEK, WE HAVE JUST DOUBLED DOWN AND MAKE THOSE MANDATORY AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN

WITHIN THE SYSTEM PARAMETERS. >> IN ADDITION, THE CASE CODES, THE REASON WHY THAT HISTORICALLY WASN'T DONE IS BECAUSE CASE GOODS ARE DIFFERENT BETWEEN JURISDICTION AND AGENCY, GIVEN THE EXAMPLE SOME MAY START WITH A DATE, 2026 AUGUST, AND SO YOU GET TO AUTUMN AND MAY, THERE'S A BIG RESTRICTION YOU'RE HAVING DIFFERENT AGENCIES REPORT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN GET MISCONSTRUED A LOT. THOUGHT THE THOUGHT -- THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT. WITH EVOLVING COMMUNITY NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS WE'RE MAKING IT MANDATORY FOR ALL OF THIS.

>> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED IN ADDITION TO THAT CAN WE SHARE SOME INFORMATION ON IMAGE AND THE CHECKS THAT ARE AGAINST AI AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT AI MODELS ARE USED TO CONDUCT THAT, HISTORICALLY AI HAS BEEN KNOWN TO HAVE BIASES AND I WANT IN THE BACKGROUND ON HOW THAT'S

CREATED. >> ABSOLUTELY.

AI IS USED TO IDENTIFY THE MODEL AND THE LICENSE PLATE, THE CALL THAT WE MAKE THE MODEL AND THOSE OBJECTIVE ELEMENTS.

BUT I THINK THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER BROUGHT UP, WE STILL WANT HUMAN VERIFICATIONS NEVER 100% RELYING ON AI.

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I CAN'T THINK OFF THE TOP -- THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE MOTTO IS AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU MISINFORMATION BUT THAT CAN BE A FOLLOW UP OF WHICH MODEL OF AI WE USE.

>> ONE EXAMPLE THAT WE SEE WITH IT IS IT CAN'T DETERMINE WHAT STATE THE PLATE IS. IT'S STOLEN OUT OF OREGON THAT THERE IS A TEXAS PLATE THAT MIGHT GET A HIT ON IT, BUT IT SAYS IT'S AN ORGAN PLATE AND THEN IT SAYS WRONG STATE,.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT,

THANK YOU. >> LACEY.

>> I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS, FIRST OF ALL CHIEF THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR COUNCILMAN BROWN TO FOCUS ON THE AGENDA. A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO IT WAS MAY OR JUNE I CALLED THE STATE MANAGER AND SAID THIS HAS BECOME A NATIONAL ISSUE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS SOONER OR LATER AND HE AGREED. GOT TO WORK RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE EDUCATED, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE A LAST DECISION, AND IT'S BECOME PRETTY MUCH A BIG DEAL WITH SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT TOO BECAUSE YOU BEING HERE TELLS US WE ARE HEARING YOU, WE ARE SEEING YOU, WE HEAR YOUR VOICE AND THAT'S IMPORTANT ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. AND IT'S INCUMBENT ON US AS COUNCIL PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO OUR RESIDENTS AND LISTEN AND ALSO LISTEN TO THE POLICE THAT WANT TO KEEP US SAFE.

SO IF YOU DON'T MIND GIVING ME A COUPLE OF MINUTES HERE.

I WANT TO BEGIN BY SAYING I DON'T QUESTION THE TAXING BEHIND THIS TECHNOLOGY, I HAVE BEEN IN IT SINCE 64, SO IF ANYONE KNOWS TECHNOLOGY IT IS ME. I UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY.

OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT KEEPS OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND FLOCK CAMERAS HAVE HELPED THEM RECOVER STOLEN VEHICLES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE QUESTION FOR US IS NOT WHETHER PUBLIC SAFETY MATTERS, OF COURSE IT DOES, EVERYONE HERE IS NOT AGAINST PUBLIC SAFETY, WITH THE POLICE PICK WHETHER THE BENEFITS JUSTIFY THE TRADE OFFS AND WHERE WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? BECAUSE IF WE'RE BEING HONEST THIS DISCUSSION IS MORE ABOUT THE CAMERAS. I SEE IT BECOMING MORE AND MORE.

IT'S MORE ABOUT LICENSE PLATE DATA, IT'S MORE THAN WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE DATA AND WE'RE GETTING CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY ABOUT FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS PROTECTIONS.

WE'VE HEARD FROM MANY RESIDENTS AND PHONE CALLS, TEXT MESSAGES, EMAILS, IT'S A FEELING A FEELING THERE MORE AND MORE OF OUR LIVES ARE BEING MONITORED, TRACKED, COLLECTED, AND ANALYZED AND STORED. IT'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE FEELING.

PEOPLE SEE AI ADVANCING AS COUNCILWOMAN WILLIAMS IS MENTIONED IN, THEY SEE MORE DENSE -- SENSORS AND DATA TECHNOLOGY BECOMING PART OF OUR EVERYDAY LIVES AND ANY ONE OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES, DO BY THEMSELVES, THEY SEEM REAS REASONABLE. WITH A FLOCK MEMBER HAS TALKED ABOUT, HOW DO YOU TELL A PARENT YOUR CHILD GOT ABDUCTED, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CAMERAS, IT'S VERY REASONABLE TO WANT THAT.

IT'S NOT OUTSIDE THE REALM. BUT MANY PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ANY ONE OF THOSE TECHNOLOGIES.

MANY PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO ASK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ALL OF THEM ARE COMBINED. AND THEY ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION.

WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH. MANY PEOPLE FEEL THEY HAVE LESS CONTROL OVER THEIR PERSONAL PRIVACY THAN THEY DID EVEN A DECADE AGO. AND THEY WONDER WHETHER TECHNOLOGY IS SERVING US OR WHETHER WE ARE BEGINNING TO SERVE TECHNOLOGY, WE KIND OF FEEL THAT.

WE APPRECIATE THE BENEFITS OF TECHNOLOGY HAS BROUGHT US BUT

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PRIVACY. PERSONAL FREEDOM, HUMAN CONNECTION. AND TRUST.

AND I BELIEVE THAT IS WHY THIS GENERATES SUCH A STRONG INTEREST AND STRONG EMOTIONS. BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE CAMERA SYSTEM. IT'S ABOUT A GROWING CONCERN THAT TECHNOLOGY IS EXPANDING AND INTO PARTS OF OUR LIVES WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT SURE IT BELONGS. THE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT ARE NOT REJECTING TECHNOLOGY, THEY'RE NOT REJECTING LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE ASKING WHETHER GOVERNMENT SHOULD PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY WHENEVER IT GAINS NEW CAPABILITY TO MONITOR, TRACK OR GAIN INFORMATION. TRUST IS NOT BUILT WHEN GOVERNMENT SAID TRUST US BRO. TRUST IS BUILT WHEN GOVERNMENT DEMONSTRATES THAT IT'S WILLING TO LIMIT ITS OWN POWER, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET TRUST. TRUST THE CITIZENS.

THERE ARE A LOT -- RARELY LOST ALL AT ONCE.

THEY ARE GIVING AWAY ONE REASONABLE STEP AT A TIME AND EACH INDIVIDUAL STEP JUSTIFIES ITS OWN MERITS.

THAT'S WHY THESE CONVERSATIONS MATTER.

THAT'S WHY PUBLIC INPUT MATTERS. AND IT'S WHY THE PEOPLE CAME HERE TONIGHT DESERVES TO BE HEARD.

BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS DISCUSSION, I'M ALMOST DONE IS ABOUT MORE THAN CAMERAS, IT'S ABOUT WHETHER WE CONTINUE TO ASK AN IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT EVERY FREE SOCIETY MUST ASK.

JUST BECAUSE WE CAN DO SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN WE SHOULD? AND I BELIEVE ASKING THAT QUESTION IS NOT A SIGN OF FEAR, IT'S A DUTY OF FREE PEOPLE TO ASK BEFORE THE ANSWER IS DECIDED FOR THEM. SO THAT IS MY THOUGHTS ON IT, THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE? >> COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK.

QUESTION. CHIEF IF WE DON'T HAVE FLOCK CAMERAS, DID WE LOSE OUR ACCESS TO THE FLOCK SYSTEM COMPLETELY?

>> AS I UNDERSTAND IT YES, BECAUSE BEFORE WE HAD THEM I REACHED OUT TO FLOCK TO SEE IF WE COULD GET ON THE SYSTEM WITHOUT HAVING CAMERAS AND IT WAS NOT COST EFFECTIVE.

>> LET'S SAY THEN THAT THERE IS A CRIME AND SOMEONE WITNESSED IT AND THEY GOT A LICENSE PLATE. YOU CAN REACH OUT TO OTHER CITIES BUT YOU WOULDN'T GET TO USE THEIR SYSTEM?

>> IF YOU HAD ONE FLOCK CAMERA AT THE POLICE STATION I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD OBJECT TO THAT WOULD WE THEN HAVE ACCESS TO THE FLOCK SYSTEM FAIR LICENSE PLATE LOOKUP OF SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW JUST HAPPENED, THE HIGH SCHOOL, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN 29, SOMEONE GOT A PICTURE OF A LICENSE PLATE AND

SPECIFICALLY ONE CAMERA. >> AS LONG AS THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN THEMSELVES. AS LONG AS THOSE COMMUNITIES.

>> IF I MAY RESPOND TO THAT, THINK OF A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE.

AND SO I'M GOING TO BRING UP A CASE STUDY OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN AUSTIN A FEW MONTHS AGO IN MAY WHERE THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAD A SHOOTING, A MASS SHOOTING WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO GO AROUND AND -- FIRE 105 ROUNDS, AND A 200 MAN POLICE FORCE IN AUSTIN. FOR 27 HOURS.

THEY WERE UNABLE TO FIND THOSE PEOPLE.

WITHIN TWO HOURS OF GOING INTO NEIGHBORING CITY, THEY WERE ARRESTED. AND SO THOSE I KNOW WE CAN GET INTO WELL WHAT IF OR WHAT IF, THAT SOME OF THE REAL LIFE SCENARIOS OF WHAT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED RIGHT DOWN THE STREETS.

I'M A CENTRAL TEXAS NATIVE, AND SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, I HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY IN AUSTIN AS WELL SO I WANTED TO BRING A SITUATION THAT JUST HAPPENED OF JUST HOW THAT ALL

COMES. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, EXCUSE ME, SIR, I'M TOM -- I'M SORRY WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS SARAH, PLEASE DO

NOT SPEAK AFTER THANK YOU. >> TONIGHT WE WILL NOT BE MAKING A DECISION WE WILL BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL AS COUNSEL FOR AND WITH THAT? FOR A DISCUSSION TONIGHT? THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT'S JUST FOR INFORMATION SO WE WILL BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL.

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I WANT IT THANK YOU FOR DOING THE SAME CHIEF AND DOING THE RESEARCH. I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL THAT IF THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED TO ASK THEM AS SOON AS THAT WE CAN SO WE CAN GET THOSE RESPONSES BACK AND THEN FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE AND THOSE THAT MAY BE WATCHING THAT YOU COULD NOT MAKE IT TONIGHT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALSO SEND YOUR CONCERNS TO COUNCIL EITHER VIA EMAIL OR SHOW UP AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WITH THAT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON IF THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS?

>> JUST TO CLARIFY THIS AGENDA ITEM IS FOR PRESENTATION DISCUSSION, IT WAS NOT FOR DECISION MAKING.

ANY DECISION WE COULD HAVE POSSIBLY MADE.

>> THIS WAS AN INFORMATION DISCUSSION.

>> WE WILL BRING -- BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL NIGHT.

>> ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION. IS COUNCIL REQUESTING THAT THIS

ITEM COME BACK FOR A DECISION? >> YES.

>> DISCUSSION AND DECISION. >> THE WORDING THERE NEEDS TO

HAVE THE WORD DECISION. >> GOT IT.

>> IS THAT CLEAR? OKAY.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE?

>> NO, BUT THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME IN TODAY AND YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>> IF HE COULD GIVE YOUR INFORMATION TO THE CITY MANAGER, MAYBE NOT. THANK YOU.

>> I THOUGHT I RECEIVED SOMETHING FROM FLOCK BUT I WASN'T YOU. AND THEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ATTEND NEXT MEETING YOU ARE DEFINITELY WELCOME TO.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TON TONIGHT.

>> WITH THAT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE A IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION PUBLIC -- POSSIBLE ACTION NUMBER 2026-0020 AND SECTION 6.13, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, AND ITS ENTIRETY INCLUDING THE COMPLIANCE SETTLING FOR EXISTING LIGHTING THE LIGHT TRESPASS AND ENFORCE PERMISSIONS, THIS IS

GOING TO BE STARTED BY LAURA. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> MY NAME IS LAURA MUELLER I'M A CITY ATTORNEY AND I WILL PRESENT ON THIS ITEM. WE HAVE DECIDED BEFORE YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP SOME TOPICS THAT YOU WANTED US TO LOOK AT, WE LOOKED AT EACH OF THOSE TOPICS AND WE BROUGHT IT TO P AND Z, THEY HAVE SEEN THIS AFTER NOTICE AND NOW WE ARE BACK WITH THE SUGGESTIONS JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAD FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF GETTING A STUDY.

JUST AS A REMINDER, THEY BEGIN ON 2020, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS CONTINUING FOR 2022, IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2022 AND THEN IN JULY OF 2025 THE CITY BECAME THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTY. SINCE THE PASSAGE THERE'S BEEN CONTINUOUS DISCUSSIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE AND WE ARE LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE REWRITE CURRENTLY AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ANY OF THESE SUGGESTIONS COULD ALSO BE POSTPONED UNTIL WE DO THAT REWRITE.

SO THREE ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS THE DEFINITION OF TRESPASS, HOW TO TREAT NON-CONFORMING LIGHTS, AND THE LESSENING TO ENSURE -- ENCOURAGE COMPLIANCE.

FURTHER LIGHT TRESPASS COMMISSION, THE CURRENT DEFINITION IS ON YOUR LEFT, THE PROPOSED DEFINITION IS ON YOUR RIGHT, AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES, HOW THEY DEFINED IT, OTHER COMMUNITIES DEFINED IT INCLUDING SOME OTHER DARK SKY COMMUNITIES AND ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO THE PROPOSED DEFINITION. IT'S VERY SIMILAR, THE TWO ARE SIMILAR BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ADD ADDITIONAL GRAMMAR TO THE DEFINITION INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY INTERFERING WITH A NEIGHBOR IN ORDER TO JUST KIND OF SHOW THERE WERE ALREADY DOING THE SYSTEM BUT WERE VERIFYING THAT.

THE NEXT ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT THAT WAS NON-CONFORMING, I THINK IT WAS A PRIMARY REASON IT WAS BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL.

SOME OTHER THINGS TO NOTE IS THAT THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY COMPLIANT HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE IF MORE THAN 50% OF APPRAISED VALUE OF THE STRUCTURE IS DESTROYED AND THAT'S VERY COMMON FOR OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE

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THE SUGGESTION WAS THAT WE EXTEND THAT.

A LITTLE BIT MORE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING ORDINANCE AND SO THE SUGGESTION THAT STAFF HAS WAS INSTEAD OF DOING IT FROM AN EFFECTIVE DATE TO SET A DATE -- SET A DEADLINE AND IT'S EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO KEEP TRACK OF JANUARY 1ST 2020 RATHER THAN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OCTOBER OF 2027 OR AUGUST OF 2027.

FINALLY, THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS WERE TREATED THE SAME AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN IT COMES TO NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN IT COMES TO ENCROACHMENT AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE HAVE SUGGESTION THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCE ON HOW THEY'RE TREATED WITH COMMERCIAL IS TREATED, WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER, THIS IS A SIMILAR DEFINITION THAT WE USE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SITE DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING THINGS COMPLY WITH COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS. WE TOOK SOME LANGUAGE FROM THERE. BASICALLY IT'S AFTER THE SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN APPROVED, SOMEONE IS LIVING THERE, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER. THE VIOLATIONS CURRENTLY THAT WOULD HAVE APPLIED TO EVERY ONE YOU CAN SEE IN THE LEFT BUT THEY'VE ONLY NOW COMPLIED TO THE RESIDENTIAL, THE CLASS C MISDEMEANOR WITH SEVERAL PENALTIES, EVERY DAY IS A SEPARATE VIOLATION. THE ORDERS CAN BE ISSUED IF A COMMERCIAL NONRESIDENTIAL WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF SOMEONE IS...

SOMETHING AND THE CITY SAYS THEY'RE NOT USING COMPLIANT OUTDOOR LIGHTING THEY CAN BE TOLD TO STOP WORKING UNTIL THEY CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO USE THE COMPLIANT OUTDOOR LIGHTING.

ADDITIONAL PENALTIES EXIST UNDER CURRENT RULE IF THE LIGHTING IS NOT BINDING COMPLIANCE OF 60 DAYS OF BEING GIVEN NOTICE TO DO SO. THEY GIVEN 60 DAYS IN THOSE INSTANCES. WHILE WE UPDATED AS A PROPOSAL WAS THAT SEVERAL PENALTIES COULD BE INCURRED BY RESIDENTS IF THEY WERE GIVEN NOTICE AND THEY DID NOT COMPLY WITHIN 60 DAYS.

WARNINGS ISSUED FIRST, THIS IS THE CITY'S PRACTICE BUT THIS MORE CODIFIES IT IF THIS WAS APPROVED, STOP WORK ORDERS WOULD STILL -- IF SOMEONE IS DOING ADDITIONAL REMODEL AND THEY'RE NOT USING COMPLIANT LIGHTING THEY CAN BE ASKED TO STOP WORK.

AGAIN, NOT TAKING ANY... UNLESS A RESIDENTIAL UNIT UNLESS THEY'RE GIVEN NOTICE THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO NOT HAVE UPDATED LIGHTING AND IF THEY DON'T DO IT AND THEY ARE STILL NOT DOING IT THEN FOR 60 DAYS THEY WILL APPROACH IT WITH SEVERAL REMEDIES. THAT WENT TO THE COMMISSION, THE PLANNING AND ZONING, THAT WRITING IS REALLY SMALL.

THEY DID VOTE IN APPROVAL OF THESE ITEMS AS CHANGES TO THEM? DOING THE REWRITE. THE CURRENT, WHAT THE CITY STAFF AND WHAT I DRAFTED BASED ON OTHER CITIES LANGUAGE ARE THEN IT WOULD PMS RECOMMENDED, THE VERY SIMILAR, WE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR WHEN IT CROSSED INTERFERENCE SO JUST TO REFLECT OUR BASIS SYSTEM WAS IN THEIR, IT'S APPARENT IN BOTH THE CITY ATTORNEY STAFF, RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS THE PMS RECOMMENDATION. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY

QUESTIONS. >> IF WE GO TO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE, ON THE DEFINITION.

THE THINGS THAT PMS RECOMMENDED WAS REMOVING THE TERM SUBSTANTIAL. IT'S A VERY SUBJECTIVE TERM.

SO I AM FINE WITH THE CHANGES OF PMS I THINK IT TIGHTENS UP THE DESCRIPTIONS THE ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS I THINK IT'S ON 6.1303 E, WHEN YOU EXTENDED THE DATE TWO AND A HALF YEARS ALTHOUGH TWO IS WHAT WE WERE SEEKING. AND THAT IS THE FACT THAT THE SECOND PART OF THAT SAYS, ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION INSTALLED

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CLARIFY THAT. >> LITTLE THING THERE THAT LEADS

TO INTERPRETATION. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DETERMINED IN THE PAST THAT WE WOULD HAVE RESIDENTS, IS THAT CODIFIED ANYWHERE THAT WE WOULD OFFER SUPPORTS FOR FOLKS THAT WERE TRYING TO GET IN COMPLIANCE END.

>> THIS IS UNDER ITERATION. >> PART OF THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE WAS ACTUALLY TO CHANGE THE TWO YEAR AND TO GET EDC TO PURSUE THOSE GRANTS AT LEAST FOR BUSINESSES.

BECAUSE THEY WERE PART OF THE CHALLENGE REALLY.

THE WAY I REMEMBER THE RESIDENTIAL IS THERE'S MORE TIME FOR EDUCATION AND US TRYING TO EDUCATE ON WHAT TYPE OF LIGHT BULBS, WHAT TYPES OF LIGHT SHIELDS, WHERE THEY COULD PURCHASE THEM. THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT WILL BE FOR EDC IN AUGUST OF 2022, THE EDC DID TALK TO GIVE GRANTS TO

BUSINESSES. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, IS THE CIVIL POLICIES FOR RESIDENTIAL?

I KNOW IT WAS A CLASS. >> UNDER CIVIL PENALTIES WILL FALLS UNDER ANY TYPE OF CONSEQUENCE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. IF YOU DON'T COMPLY IT FALLS UNDER CLASS C FALL UNDER CIVIL POLICY?

>> IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO A FINE BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY CRIMINAL VIOLATION, GIVING THEM MULTIPLE CHANCES TO FIX IT AND TAKE THEM TO COURT AND IF THEY'RE STILL NOT COMPLIANT THEY COULD BE ASSESSED PENALTIES AS WELL AS BEING TOLD TO GO AHEAD

AND FIX IT. >> SO THEN IT GOES TO COURT AND

THEN THE JUDGE DETERMINES. >> THERE IS A LIMITATIONS.

>> I'M HAPPY IF COUNCIL -- COUNCILWOMAN WILLIAMS IS HAPPY.

>> I HAVE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG WHILE.

I'VE GOT YOU, YES, MA'AM. I WON'T READ THAT, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND CIVIL LIBERTY AND THE UNIFIED -- DEVELOPMENT CODE, OUTDOOR LIGHTING AND ITS ENTIRETY PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS OF FACT AND ESTIMATE, SAVINGS, REPEAL OR NOTICE A PUBLIC MEETING AND EFFECTIVE DATE.

NOW WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 5B AT 7:54.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?

>> SENSES NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:54. IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL THEN WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> WHEN WILL WE ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL GRANTS.

>> THAT WAS PART OF THAT MOTION AS WELL, WE DID SAY THAT IN THE

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MOTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT WORK WILL GO ON WITH THE EDC BOARD ONCE YOU START THE NEW

FISCAL YEAR. >> VERY IMPORTANT.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 5B WITH THE CHANGE TO 6.13.03 E TO SET THE DATE THAT MOVE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT LAST CENTER, SHALL COMPLY AFTER AUGUST TENTH 2022.

>> I SECOND. >> SECONDED, ALL IN FAVOR?

THE MOTION PASSES. >> MOVE ON TO ITEM 5C.

PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION, 2026-O019 AMENDING 7.05 OF THE CITY OF LIBERTY HILL UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, RELATED TO FISCAL SECURITY, WARRANTY REQUIREMENTS AND ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

>> THANK YOU, THE GOVERNMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR,.

>> I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE I RECOGNIZE THE ORDINANCE YOU RECEIVED, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHANGES IN THIS DOCUMENT I CLEANED UP A LOT OF THE PROCESSES TO BE WHAT ARE LIMITED TO WHAT WE DO IN PRACTICE, THERE'S A LOT OF TERMS THAT WERE UTILIZED AND THE POWER WAS GIVEN TO THE CITY ENGINEER WITH THE TRANSITIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

I WILL SHOW THIS SLIDE AND THEN I WILL MERGE US ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHILE I EXPLAIN HOW WE UTILIZE THESE TOOLS, WHAT THAT LETTER OF CREDIT IS. AND SO IT WILL SHOW YOU THE EXACT PHASES OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

WE START WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLOT, WE GET ALL OF OUR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS PLANS, THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY TIED TO THE FISCAL ASSURITY AND THE MAINTENANCE BONDS.

THAT MOVES INTO THAT RECOMMENDATION AND ACCEPTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAINTENANCE PLANS AND THAT WHOLE PROCESS, WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO DEVELOP A PIECE OF LAND THEY CHALK UP A RECTANGLE, THEY SHOW US E'S FOR WASTEWATER, FOR DRAINAGE IS LOCATED AND THEY SHOWS WHERE THE STREETS ARE GOING TO GO MECHANISM THAT IS AT THE DISPOSAL IS THEY CAN POST FISCAL ASSURITY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE IT RECORDED. IF THEY DON'T DO FISCAL ASSURITY THEY'RE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THAT, THE TEAM ENSURES AND MEETS ALL OF OUR STANDARDS, WHICH ARE IN THE ORDINANCES, ANYTHING IS APPLICABLE. AND THEN ONCE WE DO THAT IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE CITY AND WILL ALLOW THEM TO FOLLOW THE PLAN BUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PLANS THAT CAN BE GOING DOWN THAT PROCESS. IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHEN INFRASTRUCTURE IS CONSTRUCTED IS STILL INSPECTED TO OUR STANDARDS. THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT IS ENSURING THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS GET CONSTRUCTED.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SO F FAR? AND SO CURRENTLY, I WILL HIGHLIGHT THIS, ESSENTIALLY ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND YOU ACCEPT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IT BECOMES OURS, WE RELEASED THAT FISCAL ASSURITY BACK TO THEM ONCE WE HAVE ACCEPTED THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

FOLLOWING ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THESE ARE THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, AND IT WILL AMOUNT FOR THAT MAINTENANCE BOND IS 20%.

THERE IS NO CHANGE FOR THE PERFORMANCE BOND IN THAT, WE DID REMOVE ACCEPTING LETTERS OF CREDIT, THE REASON FOR THAT BEING THOSE ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, GOING THROUGH A SURETY, BONDING -- BONDING INTEREST, THAT'S WHY THEY REMOVE THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER IS THERE'S A PARTIAL FISCAL SECURITY ALLOWANCE.

THAT'S COMMON IN OTHER CITIES, BASICALLY IF THEY MADE IT 50% THROUGH AND THEY WANT TO POST 50% OF THAT FISCAL SURETY THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK THROUGH OUR ENGINEER AUDIT REVIEW, THE COST ESTIMATES AND MAKE SURE WHEN WE CREATED THEM.

THIS IS RAISING CONTEXT, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT I UNDERSTAND THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING, IT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE ENTIRE CITY OF TEXAS.

THE MAINTENANCE BOND OR THAT BONDING -- BONDING AMOUNT, SOME CITIES CHOOSE... AND THEY TELL YOU WHAT THE AMOUNT HAS TO BE.

THOSE ARE SEARCHES THAT DON'T COME UP WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THEM. IT'S ON AN AS-NEEDED BASIS.

AND SO AS I MENTIONED, THE MAINTENANCE MAP, THAT IS EXTREMELY CONSISTENT WITH THE REGION, WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS,

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WHAT HAPPENS IS AT THE 18TH MARK, CITY STAFF GOES OUT AND WE DO A FULL INSPECTION. IT HAPPENS ROUTINELY, WE WILL GET RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY WILL REPORT THINGS BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING WE DO GO OUT AND DO THE INSPECTIONS AND THEN WE PROVIDE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR. WHO PUT THE MAINTENANCE BOND.

THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WILL DO THIS BUT IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE THAT SECURITY. AS THEY'RE GOING FROM ONE YEAR TO TWO YEARS, IT GO FOR 20% THAT MEANS TO DATE THAT GIVES US 20% OF WHAT THE COST OF THAT FISCAL COST.

THE -- IT GIVES MORE PROTECTION TO THE CITY THEY'RE ASKING PARTIAL FISCAL SURETY THERE IS NO DIRECT FISCAL IMPACT, WHEN IT COMES TO OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE THERE ARE AREAS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT I THINK THIS WOULD HAVE PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT MORE PROTECTION TO THE CITY FOR. THEY DID RECOMMEND UNANIMOUSLY AND STAFF IS -- RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AMENDING THE CITY OF LIBERTY HILL UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 7.05 -- FISCAL ASSURANCE AND ASSURANCE OF CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE.

CODIFICATION SAVING SEVERABILITY, NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING AND EFFECTIVE DATE. I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:02. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS WE'LL CLOSE THE HEAR -- THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:02.

WE'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

>> 20% TO 80% IS THAT ADDITIONAL COST TO THE CITY, DOES IT PUT A

BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER. >> THE COST IS MORE, EXCUSE ME.

>> HOW MUCH MORE IS THAT A BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER?

>> IT DEPENDS ON THEIR BONDING CAPACITY.

THERE IS NOT A CLEAR CUTTING ANSWER I COULD GIVE YOU.

>> I HAD THE SAME QUESTION. HAD THIS IMPACT SOMEBODY WHO IT MIGHT BE THEIR FIRST ONE AND SOMEBODY WHO'S NEW TO THIS.

THEY WANT TO TRY TO BUILD SOMETHING HERE IN THEIR CITY.

IT WILL BE VERY CHALLENGING IT WILL BE MORE BENEFIT, IS NOT

GOING TO IMPACT ANYBODY BIG. >> THAT HAS AN IMPEDIMENT -- DOES IT MAKE IT MORE OF AN IMPEDIMENT FOR A BUSINESS TO WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH OUR CITY WIN.

>> I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE -- I. THOUGHT THAT WAS A HUGE JUMP AS WELL, I WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT WILL IMPACT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPERS WE WANT TO COME TO LIBERTY HILL.

WHICH WE ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHERS, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE FROM DALLAS COMING HERE OR BIG COMPANIES AND HAVE THAT TYPE OF BONDING CAPACITY. OR THAT WANT TO HAVE AN

INVESTMENT HERE. >> IT'S A HEALTHY BALANCE.

WHAT YOU SEE WHEN FOLKS ARE GOING THROUGH THIS IN OTHER CITIES IS THERE'S A MINIMUM THAT THOSE CITIES POST, BUT THE ACTUAL BOND AMOUNT THAT IS POSTED IN MANY CASES IT MUST -- IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE MINIMAL LIST.

OUR IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENT WHEN WE LIST THAT AMOUNT, THIS AMOUNT IS A RECOMMENDATION.

IT'S A STARTING POINT. I THINK THAT THIS IS THE GOVERNING BODY THAT WILL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

THERE IS NO PERFECT ANSWER TO THIS, THOSE ONLY CONTEXT.

WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, IF SOMEONE COMES AND BUILDS A ROAD ON A LARGER PLAN AND THAT ROAD LASTS FOR A YEAR OR A YEAR AND A HALF AND IT FALLS APART, WHO WILL BUILD THAT COST.

THAT'S A REAL CONVERSATION THIS COMMUNITY IS HAVING AS IT EXPLODES FROM A GROWTH PERSPECTIVE OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO TEN YEARS. IT IS UNREALISTIC TO EXPECT THAT CURRENTLY A ONE YEAR 20% MAINTENANCE BOND IS EVEN GOING TO COVER THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY WHO WAS GOING TO PAY MORE THAN A PRIVATE DEVELOPER TO GET SOMEBODY OUT AND MAKE THOSE REPAIRS IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FISCAL COVERAGE TO TAKE CARE OF

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THE SECOND COMPONENT IS IF WE HAVE BUILDERS WHO ARE COMING INTO LIBERTY HILL AND THEY WILL BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO LAST, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY ISSUES, THERE'S A REAL CONVERSATION TO BE ASKING ABOUT WHY DON'T YOU WANT A BOND THAT WORK? THAT'S A REAL QUESTION. WE EXPECT THE SAME WHEN SOMEONE WILL COME IN AND BUILD PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY WILL POST THE BOND FOR THAT AND AGAIN THE BOND IS SCALEABLE.

IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S COMING IN TO PUT IN A MAJOR PLOT, AND THE QUESTION IS HOW DOES THIS AFFECT MOM AND POPS, WELL THEY SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO PERFORM.

THAT'S A REAL CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD FOR ANY COMMUNITY THAT IS ABOUT TO GO THROUGH A MAJOR GROWTH PHASE.

IS THE NUMBER 80%? THAT IS AN OPTION.

I CAN TELL YOU IT IS NOT 20 FOR ONE YEAR.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, 20 MEANS WE'VE RUN INTO SITUATIONS ALREADY, WE KNOW THAT WHERE IT'S BUILT AND NOW THERE'S AN ISSUE AND NOW THE CITY IS THE ONE THAT IS EITHER BEING BLAMED BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT, DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT SHOULD FALL ON THE RESIDENTS. WITHOUT REALLY LOOKING INTO THIS, 20 TO 80 SEEMS LIKE A HUGE JUMP WITHOUT SEEING HOW THE

IMPACT IS GOING. >> I'VE DEALT WITH THESE GUIDELINES FROM MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE BEFORE I THINK ALL THE THINGS WE HAD TO TRY TO COME IN AND FIX, ONE YEAR IS DEFINITELY NOT ENOUGH IF THE WORK IS DONE WELL, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. IT WILL ULTIMATELY COST THEM AND COST US A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY. IF THAT GIVES US THE PROTECTION, WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THE MILLIONS, FIXING THINGS YEAR AFTER YEAR, I PERSONALLY WOULD HOPE THAT EVERYONE WOULD BE OKAY TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING READY TO SPEND EVEN MORE MONEY ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE IS BUT FOR ME GOING BACK TO BOTH OF YOUR POINTS GREG I. WOULD RATHER BE TRANSPARENT AND FOR PEOPLE TO BELIEVE 20, YOU OVER HERE WE WILL DO 60, THE TRANSPARENCY IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

DO I BELIEVE IN ONE SIZE FITS ALL? NO. BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN

WE DO THE AGREEMENT. >> TO THAT POINT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TALKED ABOUT AGAIN AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS COMING UP QUITE A BIT TODAY AND THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU AND BEFORE IT'S MADE WITH THE OVERHEAD PROJECTS.

>> IF YOU GO BACK AND SHOW THE PROCESS AS WELL, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE 20 TO 80. YOU'RE ALSO GIVING A WAY FOR US TO DO SOMETHING IN ADVANCE WHERE WE COULDN'T BEFORE, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THEY'RE CHANGING THE PROCESS.

>> IS NOT EXACTLY A CHANGE IN THE PROCESS, IT MAKES IT MORE

CLEAR. >> MORE CLEAR TO EVERYBODY THAT

THEY CAN DO THIS. >> CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES, RIGHT THERE. IT JUST SEEMS, OTHER CITIES THEY CHOSE A SMALL AMOUNT BUT THAT'S QUITE A DIFFERENCE THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS FOR BUSINESS TO COME INTO OUR CITY.

>> I KNOW FOR A FACT IF YOU DO 100% --

>> I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE 80%.

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>> DID ANYONE COME AND SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PMZ WOW.

>> NO ONE'S COME TO SPEAK TO ANY ONE OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS WOW.

>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK. >> I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY FORMAL COMMENTS REGARDING THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN IT WAS

POSTED FOR THIS AGENDA. >> I'M NOT ASKING THIS QUESTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING RIGHT THERE,.

>> WATCHING COUNCIL MEETINGS RIGHT NOW, WITH WHAT THEY KNOW RIGHT NOW, THEY GET TO THE TABLE AND THEY WILL REALIZE IT'S

CHANGED AND IT'S A HUGE JUMP. >> ON TERMS OF WHEN THIS WILL AFFECT WHAT IF APPLICATIONS ARE ALREADY IN THAT PROCESS, IS THERE ANY SUCH THING OF GETTING INVESTED IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THAT PERCENTAGE. DOES IT GO INTO EFFECT.

FOR ANYTHING ENTERING INTO A CERTAIN PHASE.

I CAN SEE WHY THEY DID NOT CALCULATE IT INTO THEIR COST.

>> I LIKE TO DEFER TO A LEGAL COUNSEL.

>> IF THEY HAVE ALREADY POSTED THEIR BOND OF COURSE OR THE CREDIT, THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO THEM.

IF THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED THEIR PROJECT, IT DOESN'T USUALLY APPLY TO FEES OR THINGS LIKE THIS BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCES OR AN EFFECTIVE DATE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ADD.

>> I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A, THERE SOME INSTANCES WHERE THEY MIGHT BE REQUESTING THE MINIMUM.

THE PERCENTAGES THEY WERE ACTUALLY DOING BECAUSE THIS SEEMS LIKE SKEWED DATA. THIS MIGHT BE THIS BUT IF IT'S INACCURATE THEN WE NEED TO SEE WHAT IS ACCURATE.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY TO GET THAT NUMBER.

THIS WAS PULLED DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

>> SO IT'S HEARSAY THAT THEY WENT UP?

>> I KNOW SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN A FEW OF THESE CITIES, I GUESS FOR DATA I COULD REQUEST A

MAINTENANCE BOND FROM THEM. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE

HELPFUL. >> THE WAY YOU WOULD GO ABOUT OBTAINING THAT LEVEL OF DATA WHICH IS DOABLE IS TO GO THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST PROCESS AND REQUEST ALL OF THE SURETY AMOUNTS AND WHAT THOSE DOCUMENTS ACTUALLY SAY.

WE WORK WITH A TON OF DEVELOPERS AND SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THOSE AMOUNTS ARE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF AN AGENDA ITEM AND A PUBLIC -- IN A PUBLIC HEARING LIKE THIS WOW I TO PUT THIS INFORMATION OUT THERE AND HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION. IS NOT GOING TO MATTER IN A LOT OF CASES ANY TIME THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FEES, BOND ISSUES, BOND AMOUNTS, TERMS, IT'S GOING TO BE A SENSITIVE SUBJECT AND IT'S A BALANCING ACT. THIS COMMUNITY WANTS THINGS TO BE BUILT, THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE WANT THINGS TO BE BUILT.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL CURTAIL THAT AT THE SAME TIME THIS COMMUNITY WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING BUILT THAT IS GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT A YEAR OR TWO DOWN THE ROAD.

AND SO WHERE IS A BALANCE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS TODAY, THIS IS SIMPLY A CONVERSATION AND IF THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THEN Y'ALL ARE LOOKING FOR THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO

GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. >> IF WE APPROVE THIS, ARE WE

APPROVING THIS? >> UNLESS YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND A LOWER PERCENTAGE FOR THE MAINTENANCE BOND, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CHANGED WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

>> DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT OR HAVE MORE TIME AND REQUEST MORE INFORMATION BUY I WOULD LIKE TO RESEARCH A LITTLE

BIT MORE. >> IF I MAY ASK, IS IT ONLY RELATED TO THE AMOUNT FOR THE BOND AND NOT RELATED TO THE TWO YEARS WE ARE REMOVING THE LETTERS OF CREDIT OR IS IT THE

WHOLE TOPIC? >> BOTH.

>> IT STARTS OFF WITH THE 80%, THAT JUMP BUT I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT OF NUMBERS WHERE THAT 80% WILL IMPACT THE TWO YEARS POSSIBLY. I'M LOOKING AT THESE OPTIONS HERE, SOME ARE ONE YEAR AT 20%, TWO YEARS AT 80, I WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN REAL WORLD.

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>> JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BIT, I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE BOND AMOUNT IS BASED ON THE TYPE OF PROJECT TO? IF IT'S A ROAD, SOME MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE CITY WILL THEN HAVE TO MAINTAIN, THAT IS ONE MONTH.

IF IT'S A PRIVATE SOMETHING, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER.

>> THIS IS ONLY PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

I'M NOT ASKING ANYTHING FOR PRIVATE.

>> IT'S JUST A HUGE JUMP FOR ME. >> HOW MUCH DID WE JUST APPROVE TO FIX PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN FOR A DIFFERENT STORE.

WE'RE TALKING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS THAT OUR TAXPAYERS ARE HAVING TO FIX WHEN IT GOES BAD AND WE HAVE BEEN SEEING THE THINGS THAT GO BAD. THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL DEVELOPERS, ALL SIZES, BUT WE'RE TALKING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THINGS THAT WE ARE TAKING OVER.

WE HAVE A BAD ROAD, WE HAVE A BAD TANK, WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT, OUR TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THAT.

HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT CONSIDERING WHAT WE JUST APPROVED LAST WEEK WITH THE ISSUES HERE WE NEED TO START HOLDING OUR CONTRACTORS ACCOUNTABLE.

AND I GO BACK TO WHAT HE SAID, IF SOMEBODY IS WORRIED THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT WELL AND THAT WE WILL COLLECT ON THAT THEN WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT THEM ANYWAY. WE'RE TALKING PUBLIC

INFRASTRUCTURE. >> I UNDERSTAND.

ANY DETAILS. >> TWO THINGS, REAL WORLD EXAMPLE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND COST $100,000, SOMEBODY WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR $100,000 AND POST FISCAL A SURETY FOR $80,000.

IT'S SCALABLE, IF THE IMPROVEMENT IS SMALL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS MUCH AS IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $3 MILLION ROAD.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PIECES, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REAL WORLD EXAMPLES, IT'S LITERALLY THAT SIMPLE.

SO WE CAN PROVIDE REAL WORLD EXAMPLES BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A PERCENTAGE BASED CALCULATION ON THE COST TO

CONSTRUCT THAT FACILITY. >> I KNOW OF AN INSTANCE IN THE CITY, WE LOST A REALLY GOOD DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY DID NOT KNOW THEY HAD TO PAY FOR IT AND THEY HAD TO PAY FOR IT, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT DETAILS, I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE BUNNY TRAIL, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE CONVERSATION I NEED TO HAVE WITH THE MANAGER ABOUT THAT INCIDENT TO SEE IF THAT RELATES TO THIS DECISION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THIS. I CAN UNDERSTAND INFRASTRUCTURE IS VERY IMPORTANT ARE WE NOT PREPARED AS A CITY TO HOLD CERTAIN DEVELOPERS ACCOUNTABLE? ABSOLUTELY.

TO MAKE A BLANKET DECISION. >> BUT THIS IS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

OUR WASTEWATER, OUR ROADS, AND I'M LOOKING AT ASKING THE QUESTION THE TYPICAL AMOUNT REQUIRED FOR THIS IS USUALLY

100% OF THE CONTRACT VALUE,. >> IT'S A BOND, IT'S NOT THAT

I'M PUTTING ACTUAL CASH. >> I'M JUST ASKING FOR TIME TO RESEARCH, I'M NOT FULLY COMFORTABLE BUT IF THERE'S EMOTION, IF ANYONE'S WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION OR I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM THE NEXT COUNCIL

MEETING. >> I JUST ASKED THAT WE NOT POSTPONE TOO MUCH TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE SEPTEMBER NINTH IS OUR BUDGET AND THIS IS REALLY SLAMMED US EVEN TONIGHT HAVING SO MUCH ON IT AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN OPENED OUR BUDGET BOOK AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT I'M WORRIED ABOUT PUSHING THIS TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD PERSONALLY.

>> LEVEL SET EXPECTATION HERE, IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHEN THIS ITEM WILL COME BACK AND THE DESIRE FOR US TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST PROCESS TO GIVE EXAMPLES, IS JUST GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC

RECORDS TAKE A WHILE. >> I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT I'M ASKING FOR A LITTLE TIME TO GO THROUGH THESE NUMBERS AND SEE

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>> CAN I ASK THE ATTORNEY A QUESTION? IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DISCUSS WITH OUR ATTORNEY THIS SITUATION BECAUSE IT WAS AN AGREEMENT WHERE SHE CAN FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TO TELL US SOME OF THESE ASPECTS AND WE SEE IF IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF PROJECT?

OR IS THAT NOT ALLOWED? >> IF YOU HAVE LEGAL ISSUES OR LEGAL QUESTIONS WE'RE READY TO DECIDE ON IN WHATEVER MANNER THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY GO INTO EXECUTIVE

SESSION FOR. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW NOT TO KICK THIS CAN SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. I'M NOT SURE HOW THE PUBLIC

HEARINGS LAST FOR. >> IS THERE A RUSH FOR THIS FOR

TWO WEEKS? >> I DON'T NEED A PUBLIC RECORDS

REQUEST. >> IS THERE A RUSH ON THIS? IS THERE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE A MIND AND SO WE'RE TRYING

TO GET THIS IN? >> THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC SITUATION ASIDE FROM IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST.

I'M HAPPY TO DO WHETHER THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE TO DO.

>> FOR ME I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN ON THAT ONE INSTANCE BUT I'M HOPING WE CAN GET THIS RESOLVED WERE IT'S A ONE OFF BUT FOR ME I'M TRUSTING WHAT STAFF IS SAYING ON THIS, FOR ME THE STICKER SHOCK OF THE LAST SESSION WITH THE CHECKS, WE HAVE TO START HAVING SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AND SO I THINK

FOR ME I'M READY TO GO. >> A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THIS TIMELINE, WE CAN STILL MAKE THAT CONFIRMED, THIS DOESN'T LOCK IT IN AND IF WE WANT TO MAKE CHANGES THE EDC COMES TO US CORRECT? WE CAN SAY YES TO THIS RIGHT NOW OR WE COME UP WITH A NUMBER RIGHT NOW AND STILL THEY HAVE TO COME TO US WE CAN MAKE THAT UPDATE CORRECT?

>> YES, THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS PIG AND SO IN THAT SAME VEIN THE SECOND PART OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO MENTION IS IF YOU ALL ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER DON'T MAKE A DECISION, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A LOWER NUMBER BECAUSE IT'S A STOPGAP, RECOMMEND THAT NUMBER. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT AND HAVE MORE TIME THEN DO THAT, THE WORST THING THAT YOU COULD DO IS MAKE A DECISION AND HAVE TO COME BACK AND UNDO IT.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION JUST TO MAKE A DECISION. WELL MY ASK IS, MY REQUEST IS I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL, IF YOU WANT PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST THEN WE HAVE THAT UNTIL I HAVE SOME TIME TO LOOK OVER IT AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE INSTANCE, IT'S A WHOLE GAMBIT OF HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL AND HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT. IT'S A HUGE NUMBER TO JUMP UP TO. SO THAT'S MY REQUEST UNLESS WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT SOMEONE ELSE WANTS.

I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION CAN I? I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION.

>> I MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS TO THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

>> I WILL SECOND IT. >> MOTION IS MADE AND SECONDED

ALL IN FAVOR? >> ALL OPPOSED?

TWO. >> THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MANAGEMENT SERVICES, TONIGHT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN SO AT THE LAST MEETING DAVID CAME THIS EVENING, WE WANT TO DO ANOTHER TOUCH POINT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT THINKING, SO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE DRAFT PILLARS, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE TONIGHT, AND THEN DAVID WILL ALSO WALK US THROUGH THE NEXT MONTH, THEY WILL WALK US THROUGH THE FINAL STRATEGIC PLAN AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER. WITH THAT I WILL HAND IT OVER TO

DAVID. >> THANK YOU ABBY.

I HAVE A BIT OF AN UPDATE, I WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME REACTION ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN -- PILLARS.

IT'S NOT REALLY A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE IN DETAIL, WE'RE ABOUT TO GO OUT AND SEEK PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT SO I WANT TO MAKE

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IN TERMS OF, AS A RECAP YOU WILL REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THE THINK TANK, THE PROCESS ON HOW WE DEVELOP THOSE SCENARIOS OF THE FUTURE, WE WERE THEN EXPLORING THE PREFERRED FUTURE WE HAVE OVER THE ADDITIONAL DATA TO LAYER OVER THIS, WE WANT TO MOVE TO ELEVATION OF THE COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE ARE IN THAT UPPER RIGHT QUADRANT AND THAT'S A FUTURE THAT'S FRAMED AROUND THINKING AROUND STRATEGIC GROWTH LEADERSHIP AND RETAINING THIS DISTINCTIVE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER THAT I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT.

THOSE TWO BOXES ON THE INDOOR ARE THOSE AXIS THAT FRAME THIS PREFERRED FUTURE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DATA IS GOING, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ELEMENTS IN HERE THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE MAY NOT TALK A LOT ABOUT LAST TIME BUT I WANT TO DIG INTO MORE TONIGHT.

ONE OF THE BIG DIMENSIONS OF FRAMES A PREFERRED FUTURE IS STRATEGIC GROWTH LEADERSHIP AND THIS HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY. I WANT TO TALK THROUGH THAT TONIGHT BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT TALKS ABOUT REALLY DEVELOPING A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH TO VISION AND LEADERSHIP BUT NOT JUST CITY AND STAFF BUT CITY AND COUNTY AND SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE OTHER BIG INSTITUTION PLAYERS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR APPETITE AND COMFORT WITH THAT. AND ANOTHER ONE I WANT TO CALL OUT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY IS THE RETENTION OF THIS DISTINCTIVE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER. YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE WE TALK ABOUT LOCAL BUSINESSES, THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE BUT THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THE CHARACTER AND WHAT MAKES LIBERTY HILL UNIQUE.

AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH THE COMMUNITY NEXT IS DIG IN AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT A BIT MORE. I DID WANT TO FLAG THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT BUY IN IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE HERE AND IT'S SOMETHING THIS REGION PLAN IS ATTEMPTING TO REALLY CALL OUT AND SUPPORT. LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THESE PILLARS, WE WANTED TO COME BACK TO THE SLIDE, WE DID TREAT THIS A LITTLE BIT, WE WANT TO SHOW YOU THE CHANGES WE MADE THAT WAS BASED ON YOUR INPUT THAT I'VE HAD WITH SEVERAL OF YOU PLUS OUR DISCUSSION LAST TIME. I WANT TO TOUCH ON THIS, WE HAVE A PRETTY INTENSIVE. OF BUILDING UP THESE PILLARS AS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY WE ARE FRAMING THOSE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT AND GET COMMUNITY INPUT SO THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. I'M SORRY -- THE THINK TANK REPORTS, WE HAVE THE FULL REPORT JUST ABOUT TO GO UP, ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND THE NEWSLETTERS NEXT WEEK WHICH WILL BE KICKING OFF AND THINK TANK REPORTS THEY ARE, WE WANT TO BE LAUNCHING ANOTHER SURVEY WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE ARE DIRECTING ALL THAT TO THE PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED SO FAR.

WE WANT THEM TO WEIGH IN FOR THE PILLARS AND THE PREFERRED FUTURE SO WE WANT TO VALIDATE THAT AND WE HAVE A LOT MORE COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THE PILLARS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE COME BACK WITH A PLAN. WE HAVE A LOT OF BROAD COMMUNITY REPORTS BUT WE'RE STILL CONTINUING THE INDIVIDUAL OUTREACH WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS AND THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENTS.

BACK TO THIS. WHAT I'M ASKING YOUR ATTENTION IS TO MAKE SURE YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY WE ARE FRAMING THIS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS TO OFFER.

I'M GOING TO CALL OUT TWO THINGS, I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO SEVERAL OF YOU THIS WEEK IN A BIT MORE DETAIL, WE OFFER THAT TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP THAT OFFER OPEN.

IF YOU DO WANT TO HAVE A MORE INTIMATE OR PERSONAL CONVERSATION WE'RE HAPPY TO JUMP ON AND WORK THROUGH THIS AND GET YOUR INPUT AT THE NEXT FEW DAYS. BUT A FEW OTHER CHANGES TO BE MADE. YOU SEE HERE, WE TALK ABOUT PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION LAST TIME AT COUNCIL WE'VE FRAMED THAT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SMART GROWTH APPROACH, AND TALKING ABOUT POLICY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. WE ARE FRAMING THAT AS REALLY BUILDING THE PSYCHOLOGY OR THE MIND-SET FOR HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT AND MANAGE GROWTH AND ANTICIPATE AND PLAN FOR THAT.

POSSIBLY YOUR COMMUNITY IS AT A POINT WHERE IT'S REALLY WORTH HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT PACE OF GROWTH DO YOU WANT OR WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN HANDLE.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN AROUND PACE OF GROWTH THAT REALLY THAT CONVERSATION, THAT'S WHY IT'S GETTING TO A.

WHAT CAN WE REALLY HANDLE AS A COMMUNITY? THE NEXT ONE, THE BUILD AHEAD OF GROWTH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. WE DID ADD IN THERE ALONG WITH INFRASTRUCTURE WE TALKED ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, I THINK THAT PICKS UP A BIT OF THE ISSUE ABOUT GREEN SPACES, AND THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS COMMUNITY.

LATER ON TODAY, WE DID SOME LOCAL EXPERIENCES, HERE WERE

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WE ADDED THAT. SAID LAST TIME THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT AND WE TALK IN THIS CASE ABOUT COMMUNITY SPACES. CHANGING THAT FROM COMMUNITY AMENDMENTS TO COMMUNITY SPACES. LESS LIKE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION LANGUAGE AND MORE LIKE PLACES WHERE THE COMMUNITY GATHERS. AND THEN THE LEAD TOGETHER, WE DID BURN THAT A LITTLE BIT ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH SEVERAL OF YOU, THE BACKBONE COLLABORATIVE LEADERSHIP MODEL, THE FOCUS ON VISION, GLOBAL TRUST AND DELIVERING RESULTS.

SO THAT PARTICULAR PILLAR THE STRATEGIC BUT THAT WAS ACTUALLY FRAMED MOSTLY ABOUT COUNCIL AND STAFF.

I THINK PICKING UP THAT MOTION OF VISION, BUILDING TRUST, AND DELIVERING RESULTS, I THINK DELIVERING RESULTS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE BECAUSE IT ANCHORS YOU IN THAT ACCOUNTABILITY. SO GENERALLY I'M INTERESTED IN YOUR COMMENTS ON THOSE, I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN COMFORT LEVELS WITH THAT MOTION ABOUT LEAD TOGETHER AS A STRATEGIC PILLAR. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE ARE HEARING IN TERMS OF THE INPUT FROM THE THINK TANK AND DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING IS THAT THE CITY, COUNCIL, STAFF, NEED TO TAKE A STRONGER LEADERSHIP ROLE TO THINK ABOUT CONVENING PEOPLE AROUND THOSE IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS -- DECISIONS. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF LIBERTY HILL, AND SO THIS IS OPENING THE DOOR TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO YOU CONVENE AND COLLABORATE WITH OTHER BIG PLAYERS, INSTITUTION PLAYERS, THE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THOSE AREAS THAT SURROUND YOU AND THAT'S PUTTING YOU IN A POSITION, WHERE YOU WILL NOT TRY TO RUN THE SHOW BUT YOU WILL CONVENE PEOPLE AROUND SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS SO THAT YOU CAN BUILD THAT ALIGNMENT AROUND LEADERSHIP HERE THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR I WANTED TO CHECK IN WITH YOU BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF PROPOSING ACTIONS IF YOU WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DIRECTION. THAT'S AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE AT, THIS INCLUDES DISCUSSIONS FROM OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING AS I SAID I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH SEVERAL OF YOU IN A BIT MORE DETAIL, THIS WAY I WANTED TO GET YOUR INPUT BEFORE WE GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY WITH THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT SEEKING COMMUNITY INPUT ON THIS

FRAMEWORK. >> ANY -- I. HAVE A QUESTION.

PART TWO OF THE SURVEY IS THAT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY PARTICIPATED, FOLLOW UP WITH THEM ON THE PILLARS? IS IT A BROADER GROUP? ARE WE STILL GETTING BROAD DATA?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

THE STRATEGY IS WE HAVE A BIT OVER 400 PEOPLE WHO, LET'S SAY ARE CONNECTED TO THE PROJECT TOOK THE FIRST SURVEY, INPUT SESSIONS OR SIGNED UP ON THE WEBSITE.

THAT'S OUR PRIMARY GROUP, PEOPLE WHO WERE INVESTED, THE GREAT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE CON CONTEXT.

THEY WILL MAKE IT BROADLY AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO HAVE QUALITY INPUT SO WE CAN REACH OUT DIRECTLY AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY TO SEE WHERE IT'S ON AT SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE WANT TO MAKE A PUSH FOR THOSE TWO WEEKS, I THINK WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD STORY TO TELL IN TERMS OF THE THINK TANK, BUT I DO WANT TO VALIDATE THE PREFERRED FEATURES, AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN ON THEIR THOUGHTS AROUND THESE PILLARS AS WELL. I APPRECIATE THAT.

WE'RE STARTING OVER WITH SOMETHING.

I'M SURE WE WOULD ALL LOVE THE STATISTICS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE DO THAT SURVEY AND I'M ONE OF THOSE PIG BUT THE REALITY IS.

[LAUGHTER] >> FOR ME I KNOW WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I HAD THIS -- WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION TOGETHER AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SAY LOOK, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS, ALL OF US, DEVELOPERS, CITIZENS ALL OF US DO THIS TOGETHER.

SO I LIKE THAT CHANGE, I LIKE THE CHANGES TO THE EXPERIENCES AS WELL SO THAT WE'RE NOT SOUNDING LIKE AN HOA AND SO I

LIKE THE CHANGES YOU MADE. >> IT HAS A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION

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FOR SOME PEOPLE. >> IT OPENS THE DOOR TO THOSE

IMPORTANT GATHERINGS. >> THE VISION, THEY WANT SOME

COMMUNITY SPACES AND YES. >> FOR ME I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY IN HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, THIS IS THE FIRST CRACK AT THE

STRATEGIC PLAN. >> WE'RE SETTING THE STAGE WITH THIS, WHAT YOU SAID IN FEBRUARY, THIS PROCESS CONTINUES AND EVOLVES, THE NEXT ITERATION TURKEY WILL START TO SEE MORE SUBSTANCE AND WE WILL TRY TO GET AS FAR AS WE CAN THIS TIME

AROUND. >> I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING OR ANY TYPE OF PLANNING, ESPECIALLY WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING, IMPORTANT IS THE PROCESS AND NOT JUST A DOCUMENT. WE DON'T WANT IT TO SIT ON THE SHELF. WE WILL GET MOST OF THE BENEFITS FROM THE PROCESS IN MY OPINION AND I THINK WE ARE ALREADY SEEING THAT WITH A LOT OF THESE SESSIONS WITH CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT. I DO APPRECIATE AND I DO LIKE

THE CHANGES. >> THE NUMBER SO FAR IS MORE

THAN THE ELECTION. >> WE'RE EXCITED FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE TURNED UP FOR THIS.

AND THESE ARE HIGH QUALITY DATA POINTS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO INVESTED TWO DAYS IN A THINK TANK OR SPENT 20 MINUTES IN A SURVEY WE KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE, ARE THERE VERIFIABLE BECAUSE WE ASKED PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

WE WILL INVITE THOSE PEOPLE TO THE QUESTION CHARACTERS WERE PEOPLE WHO WE SENT THIS OUT TO INVITE THEM TO SHARE THEIR SURVEY. SO WE GET THAT NEXT CASCADE OUT.

WHEN YOU START TO GET THE 500 PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY YOUR SIZE, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SOLID CHUNK OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VESTED AT MAKING DECISIONS OR HELPING MAKE DECISIONS.

>> WELL DONE DAVID. YOU GUYS ALL DID GREAT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MOVING TO FIVE A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2026 TO 27 BUDGET, FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, 2027 TO 2031, INCLUSIVE ALL FUNDS I WILL SAY I DO NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM, CAN WE TAKE A TWO MINUTE BREAK FOR BOTH OF US.

>> HOW ABOUT YOU JUST GET STARTED.

>> WE ARE BACK INTO SECTION 8:44.

THE LAST AGENDA ITEM IN THE REGULAR SESSION, I WILL SHARE THIS. PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PROPOSED -- I. ALREADY READ THIS? LET'S GO FOR IT. ON THE BUDGET.

>> THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM TWO WEEKS AGO, WERE YOU GUYS BURIED WITH ME FOR A GOOD 35, 4, 28 BUDGET.

AND -- 26, 27 BUDGET. SO SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS THAT WE HAVE SEEN YOU IS MAINLY THAT WE HAVE ADJUSTED DOWN TO MARKET MINIMUM CHANGES TO ENSURE EQUITY ACROSS THE DEPARTMENTS. THIS IS ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO DO IS CHANGE STEPS TWO AND THREE IN TERMS OF HOW IT IS DONE, MEET THE GOAL THAT WE HAD FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR AND THAT WAS TO START THIS PROCESS. IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER AND I WILL SHOW YOU LATER, WE DO HAVE A PLAN TO TALK ABOUT MIDYEAR AND SEE IF WE CAN MOVE WITH STEP TWO IF THE STARS DO NOT ALIGN WE WILL BUDGET FOR THAT IN THE NEXT ANNUAL BUDGET.

ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE BEGUN TO DO IS WE ARE STARTING TO

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AND THEN WE ARE STILL GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE CONTENT TO LOOK FOR ANY ERRORS, MOST OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FINDING AT THIS POINT IS GRAMMATICAL ER ERRORS, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHARTS THAT HAVE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, SOME OF THOSE WE DO NEED TO UPDATE, ANOTHER ONE IN ADMIN, I KNOW I WILL FIND AT LEAST ONE MORE. I WANT TO TOUCH ON THIS GRAPH THAT WE USED LAST TIME, THE BIG PURPLE BAR AT THE END OF 27, IT'S A BIG SCARY LOOKING BAR BUT THESE ARE ALL OF THE THINGS IN YOUR CIP THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED TALKING ABOUT AND KICKING OFF, WASTE WATER FUND, SEWER FUND, STREETS, MAINTENANCE, ALL OTHER VARIOUS MAINTENANCE AREAS THAT HAVE CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. I KNOW IT'S SCARY BUT WE HAVE A VERY GOOD TEAM TO TAKE THIS TO THE NEXT STEP HERE THESE ARE YOUR CURRENT FOUR STRATEGIC GOALS AS WE DO PLAN ON GROWING THAT BY AT LEAST TWO AND SOME OF THESE ARE IN THE SECOND ROUND THEY HAVE BEEN CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.

THAT IS OKAY, THAT IS REALLY FOR THIS YEAR BEFORE WE GOT INTO THE STRATEGIC PROCESS. SOME OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME ARE STILL VERY MUCH TODAY.

WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CUT $450,000 OF HISTORICAL COSTS AND THE OPERATING BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO REALIGN TO THE VARIOUS EFFICIENT ANGLES THAT COUNCIL HAS SUFFERED FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR.

WE HAVE PRIORITIZED MATCHING EVERETT REOCCURRING EXPENDITURES WITH REOCCURRING REVENUE AND ONE TIME PROJECTS WITH SIMILAR TYPE FUNDING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS CHANGED THE LAST TIME AT 875, 935,000, IT HAS NOW BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO 875 AS WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THESE THINGS.

THAT CHANGE DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CHANGE IN BRINGING EMPLOYEES TO THAT MINIMUM PART, THIS WAS ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THINGS AND IDENTIFIED SOMETHING.

IT WAS IN THE LIST, IT HAD ALREADY BEEN PROGRAMED INTO THE BUDGET ONCE WE IDENTIFIED THOSE THINGS.

ONE TIME USE OF FUND BALANCE, SITS AT $2.8 MILLION, 1.9 -- 1.9 MILLION OF THAT IS OBLIGATED BY COUNCIL.

IT STARTED THIS YEAR OR THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR.

THAT $1.9 MILLION IS CURRENTLY IN NEW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT SO IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHY THAT HAS GONE UP, IT IS $1.91 MILLION TIME FUNDING.

AND THAT IS WHAT 1.1 MILLION -- $1.9 MILLION WILL GET YOU FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. NOW THESE ARE A LOT OF PLANTS, ALL OF THESE EXCEPT A PARKS PLAN ARE IN DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW AS DAVID ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IDENTIFYING THE VISION AND HOW AND WHEN WE WANT TO GET THERE. WE HAVE ADDED A TOTAL OF 16 NEW FTES FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, EIGHT ARE IN THE GENERAL FUND, EIGHT ARE IN THE UTILITIES FUNDS, WE HAVE ALSO CHANGED OUR INSURANCE PLANS AND THAT MEDICAL INSURANCE AND DENTAL IS STAYING THE SAME, WE INCREASED THE COVERAGE FROM 28% UP TO 45 AND ALL THE WAY UP TO 95% IN OTHERS. WE HAVE ADDED SOME INCREASES IN COMMUNITY EVENTS AND VARIOUS OTHER AREAS, THIS IS YOUR BUDGET SUMMARY FOR THE GENERAL FUND. IT SITS AT $21.8 MILLION, THAT IS CAPITAL EXPENDITURES UNFORTUNATELY FOR SOME REASON IT'S ALL STUCK IN THE ADMINISTRATION PART OF IT.

NEXT YEAR THAT WON'T BE A THING BUT UNTIL THEN THAT'S WHY THAT DEPARTMENT DOES LOOK INFLATED IF YOU REMOVE ALL OF THAT CAPITAL WHICH IS ABOUT ROUGHLY $4 MILLION, THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET IS ONLY ABOUT $250,000 THEN IT WAS IN OUR CURRENT YEAR WHICH IS IN LINE WITH EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

SOME OTHER NEW THINGS THAT YOU WILL SEE IN HERE WE HAVE STARTED PULLING OUT VARIOUS COST CENTERS THAT HAVE BEEN BUDGETED THROUGHOUT EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY, AND STARTED MAKING

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THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS TECHNICALLY A NEW DIVISION, MOST OF IT IS -- HAS BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR A WHILE, WE ARE NOW MAKING IT ITS OWN DIVISION. LEGAL IS NOW IN ITS OWN DEPARTMENT, THAT IS THE CONTRACT WE HAVE WITH THE FANTASTIC CITY DEPARTMENT. AND I BELIEVE.

THAT IS REALLY A LOT OF THE BIG NOTICEABLE CHANGES YOU WILL SEE GOING FROM FY26 TO FY27. FOR OUR WASTEWATER, THIS IS KIND OF A THREE YEAR SNAPSHOT REALLY FOR YEAR, THE 27 IS PROPOSED.

LOTS OF PRETTY COLORS AND THIS, I REALLY DO HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE WEBSITE TO LOOK AT THIS BUDGET.

THE DOCUMENT IS INTERACTIVE SO IF YOU CLICK ON ANY ONE OF THOSE COLORS IT WILL TELL YOU WHERE THAT IS COMING FROM, WHAT THE AMOUNT IS, THE PERCENTAGE, THAT SORT OF THING.

WHILE WASTEWATER AND SEWER HAVE MADE SOME GREAT STRIDES IN TERMS OF THEIR RATE STRUCTURE AND TRYING TO BUILD A FUND BALANCE, WE HAVE A LITTLE WAY TO GO. HERE ARE THE CURRENT WATER -- WASTEWATER AND SEWER RATES. JUST TO REMIND YOU WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A RATE STUDY FOR WATER RATES AND SEWER RATES CALCULATE WILL BE COMPLETED HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR AND WE WILL BE BRINGING THOSE STUDIES TO YOU ONCE THEY ARE COMPLETE.

BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW THIS IS BASED ON THE CURRENT WEIGHT STUDY THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING OFF OF, THE PREVIOUS YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD, CURRENTLY WE'RE IN 2026, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S A HUGE GAP THERE BUT 2027 AND 2028 IS WHERE THAT ENDS, OUR NEXT ONE WILL END AT 2031.

THIS IS THE WATER DEPARTMENT, IS DOING BETTER CARCASS NOT DOING GREAT, IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL SEE IS THE REVENUE THAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING GROWING OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS IS NOW GOING DOWN. IT WAS A WET SPRINGTIME AND THAT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON THAT WATER RATES.

THAT BEING SAID IT'S 110 DEGREES ON SATURDAY, IT'S VERY HOT.

THESE ARE YOUR WATER RATES IN THE CITY, THE NEXT SLIDE ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REDOING THESE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL TIERS AND MAKING SOME CHANGES TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE CHARGING WHAT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE FUNDS STAY SOLID.

HERE ARE THE CITY RATES, WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT, THAT THE CITY WATER CUSTOMERS. THESE ARE THE FUNDING PACKAGES ON THE LEFT IS ONE TIME FUNDING, THESE ARE ALL FOR THE GENERAL FUND, ON THE RIGHT IS OPERATIONAL FUNDING REQUESTS, THESE ARE THE FUNDING REQUESTS NAMELY WASTEWATER AND WATER.

WE DISCUSSED IT LAST TIME, THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM TAX RATE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING JUST UNDER THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, WE'VE FOUND THAT APPROVED THE REVENUE NEEDS FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS

YEAR. >> CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE?

>> PROPOSED 2026 TAX RATE. >> THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM.

THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS DID LAST TIME.

>> THAT WAS A PROPOSED RATE. >> FOR LAST YEAR?

>> THE ONE YOU DID TWO WEEKS A AGO.

>> OKAY. >> THIS IS YOUR SIP AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, ONE OTHER THINGS THAT I TOLD YOU AT THE BEGINNING AS WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE CIP BUDGET AND TO CLEAR TO

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SO YOU'VE SEEN -- ABOUT REMOVING MOST OF THE ADDITIONAL SLIDES, THIS WAS OUR COMPARATIVE STUDIES.

HERE IS THE OVERALL TIMELINE THAT WE ARE SHOOTING FOR.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST CHANGE YOU WILL SEE LAST TIME THAT NUMBER DOWN AT THE BOTTOM SAID 251,000, IT IS NOW 161,000, AS I SAID THAT WILL CHANGE BY MIDYEAR IN YEAR TWO DEPENDING ON HOW WE IMPLEMENT THAT. BUT THIS WAS JUST TO GET THE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE NOT AT THE MINIMUM RANGE TO THAT MINIMUM RANGE. THIS IS THAT BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND GRANTED I THINK THESE TWO NUMBERS WILL SHIFT BASED ON THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION BROKEN DOWN. I'M NOT SURE IF WE WOULD TRY TO DO THAT MIDYEAR OR THE REST OF IT IN THE YEAR TWO AND SO I JUST KIND OF LEFT THESE -- I. LEFT THIS SLIDE AS IT WAS.

WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, I HAVE HEARD YOU GUYS HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO START GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET DOCUMENT, I HAVE ALL OF YOUR DEPARTMENT, THAT'S A LOT. I HAVE ALL OF YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THEM PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO ASK. I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP THAT WE WILL HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE ON SEPTEMBER NINTH. THAT'S WHEN WE'RE ASKING YOU TO MAKE A DECISION NOT TONIGHT. THIS IS JUST TO ALLOW YOU SOME OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY DEPARTMENT OR ANY PART OF THE BUDGET THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ON.

>> SHE IS ROLLING UP HER SLEEVES, SHE WAS THINKING ABOUT

WEARING HER SHIRT TODAY. >> AM I NOT HAVE WORKED SO WELL.

LET ME JUST START WITH SUMMARIZING SOME THINGS AND THEN IF ANYBODY WANTS TO INTERJECT FEEL FREE.

SO WE DON'T GO TILL THE WEE HOURS BUT I DO LIKE THE CLEAN UP WITH THE COST CENTER, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR WITH A GOVERNANCE KIT, BEING CLEAR ON NOT HAVING SAME NAME AND SAME MEETING. I HOPE WE STILL HAVE SOME OF THAT THAT WE WILL SEE AND PART OF THAT WAS MY CONFUSION ON WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEWER DEPARTMENT AND SEWER DEPT AND WATER DEPARTMENT AND WATER DEPT.

>> A FANTASTIC QUESTION, IS CURRENTLY HOW THINGS WERE SET UP IN OUR CURRENT ERP SYSTEM. AND SO ONE IS REFERRING TO THE OPERATIONAL DEPARTMENT, ONE IS REFERRING TO THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE, CIP DEPARTMENT FOR THAT CORRESPONDING THING.

WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND REVIEWING THE CHART OF ACCOUNTS AND WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING A LOT OF CHANGES.

>> MY DATA GOVERNANCE PET PEEVES.

I GOT A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THE ROLES.

IT SAYS PD ROLES. AND THEN IT HAS A CHART WITH NUMBERS IN IT AND THEN IT SAYS PD ROLES AND THEN HAS ANOTHER CHART WITH NUMBERS AND IT, SOMETIMES THEY MATCH, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. WHY DO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS CALLED THE SAME THING AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD QUESTION FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS.

>> THAT I'M NOT 100% SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING BUT IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A SPECIFIC THING BECAUSE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE IS JUST SOMETHING THAT IS CHECKED AND CLEARED GOV

THAT NEEDS TO BE UNCHECKED. >> WHATEVER YOUR QUICKEST PAGE IS, 217 THAT'S BECAUSE I FLIPPED THERE.

>> I CAN COME UP THERE. >> COURT ROLLS, BUT THERE'S

DIFFERENT VALUES. >> ONE IS LAST YEAR'S, ONE IS

CURRENT YEAR. >> I WOULD ALMOST HAVE BELIEVED IF IF THE FACT THAT THE FIRST ONE DOESN'T ALSO SAY FY 2027

PROPOSED. >> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT

THAT. >> IT LOOKS LIKE IT ONLY HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU GOT IT PRINTED.

>> I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT SO I JUST WASN'T THAT'S NEW TO ME.

>> F CHECK THAT ONE OFF, OKAY. I DO NOTICE AND I THINK YOU REFERENCED THIS, WE'VE SAID WE WILL SEE A REDUCTION IN

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SO THAT'S WHY, IS NOT BECAUSE OF ANY OTHER REASON.

>> I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE ALL THAT MAINTENANCE FOCUS THIS YEAR BECAUSE AS WE KNOW IF WE DON'T GET PREVENTIVE AND ROUTINE YOU WILL PAY MORE LATER BUT I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE COSTS GOING UP WITH PRIORITY FOR MAINTENANCE. THE CIP, I'M WATCHING A TRANSITION AS WE GET ENGINEERING COSTS AND I GUESS YOU ARE STILL

LOADING IT YOU SAID? >> IT IS NOT IN THERE YET.

>> SPEAKER-08: AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION, I'M NOT SEEING THAT.

>> THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO PRINT IT SEPARATELY.

>> IF I GO TO NEW REQUESTS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY, IT'S PAGE 39. MY CHALLENGE HERE IS THIS, AT LEAST ONE YEAR BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL AND THAT TWO YEARS HAD BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE HAVE ASKED FOR A STUDY FOR WORKLOAD OPTIMIZATION, STAFFING OPTIMIZATION AND THIS TIME WE MENTIONED AGAIN WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE CONTRACT AND WE WERE TOLD WHEN WE FOCUS ON COMPENSATION THIS TIME BUT WE WILL GET THERE. FINE BUT NOW WE ARE INCREASING STAFF AT THE TUNE OF 16 MORE AND WE'VE ALREADY INCREASED THEM ALREADY DURING THE FISCAL YEAR FROM THE TIME THE BUDGET.

THAT IS DECEMBER WE HAD SOME, WE SWITCHED OVER.

I THINK MY CONCERN HERE IS I'M JUST GOING TO TOSS IT OUT THERE AND PICK THE FIRST ONE, HR. IF I LOOK AT HR IT SAYS IN THAT MUNICIPALITY, ONE TO 1.5 HR STAFF FOR 100 EMPLOYEES.

UNLESS IT'S A COMPLEX ENVIRONMENT AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IT WITH COMPENSATION, WE CAN'T GO -- WE CAN GO UP BUT WE CAN'T GO DOWN.

I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR.

I CAN GET MYSELF AROUND FROM AN EDUCATED GUESS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE SO I'M NOT CONCERNED ON THAT AS MUCH BECAUSE WHAT I LEARNED IN ONE OTHER SESSIONS I WAS IN IS THAT WATER OPERATORS WILL BECOME AWARE AND WE -- WILL BECOME RARE AND WE NEED TO START FINDING THEM EARLIER AND HIRING THEM UP. I'M SURE WE WILL HANDLE IT THROUGH ATTRITION BECAUSE THEY WILL BE A HOT COMMODITY FOR EXAMPLE. AND THOSE I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS BUT ON PRINCIPLE WE'VE ASKED FOR THE STUDY FOR THREE YEARS NOW AND THIS IS YEAR FOUR. BUT ALSO ON THIS ONE I HAD SOME DISCREPANCIES DEPENDING IF YOU LOOK AT RULE ONE OR RULE TWO AND WHAT THE POSITION TITLES WERE, FOR EXAMPLE IN PD, AND GOING BACK I SAID THIS ABOUT UTILITIES I'VE ALWAYS PRIORITIZED SAFETY.

SO I'M ON THAT ONE. BUT WE TALK ABOUT, WE ARE HIRING TWO PATROL OFFICERS, IF I LOOK AT THE ORANGE CHART IN THE BACK AND THAT TABLE IN THE BACK IT IN ANOTHER POSITION.

>> THE RECEPTIONIST DID NOT MAKE IT IN THERE, THE PD RECEPTIONIST

DID NOT MAKE IT ON WHERE? >> THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ARE THOSE OTHER THINGS.

>> DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU IT?

>> REGARDING THAT THE PD ACCREDITATION IS STILL ON THE ONE TIME FUNDING, WE ARE TRYING TO IDENTIFY ARE WE LOOKING FOR A PERSON TO DO THIS OR IF IT'S A CONTRACT.

>> THAT'S NOT ONE TIME SPENDING IF IT'S RECURRING.

>> WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED WHAT IT IS, TO $35,000 IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO BECOME AN ACCREDITED POLICE

FORCE. >> GOTCHA.

I'M TALKING THE ACCREDITED SPECIALIST WAS BACK OVER.

>> I KNOW, IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.

>> GOTCHA. ON THE POSITIONS ON ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COLLECTION OFFICER AND A WASTEWATER TREATMENT OFFICER? SAME NAMES.

>> THAT'S A BRAND NEW QUESTION. >> WORKS AT A TREATMENT FACILITY AND ONE IS WORKING IN THE FIELD WITH THE STATIONS IN COLLECTION

AT WORK. >> THEY SHOULD BE CONSISTENT IN

THIS AND WHAT'S IN THE BACK. >> THIS WE CALL IT A COLLECTIONS OPERATOR, IN THAT ROLL CHART IN THE BACK WE CALL IT A WASTEWATER

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SALARY AS A RESULT OF THAT. >> THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LICENSE

PATHS. >> THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME HERE

AND BACK THERE. >> AGAIN SOMETIMES IT SHOWS SEVEN, SOMETIMES IT SHOWS EIGHT BUT YOU ANSWERED THAT QUESTION FOR ME. WHAT IS THE PILOT, REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THAT ONE, THE ONE TIME FUNDING FOR THE PILOT.

>> THIS IS A RIDE SHARE. >> IT'S BOTH.

>> THERE'S AN IMPLEMENTATION CAUSE, WE HAVE A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THOSE. GREAT JOB ADDING THAT.

>> WE'RE PUTTING 60 IN AND MANSION IN WE'RE PUTTING 60 IN BUT I DON'T THINK WE EVER BANKED MANSIONS.

I THOUGHT WE BANKED MANSIONS. >> THESE ARE ONES WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE WANT TO DO A TRIAL SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY'RE DEDICATED PARKLAND, THAT -- THEY'RE DEDICATED TO PARKLAND, THEY GAVE US MONEY, IT'S PART OF THEM BUT WE WON'T WAIT UNTIL THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN IS, WE WANTED TO RECLASS OR RENAME THOSE AS PARK IMPROVEMENTS TO CITY PARK TO USE THE FUNDING

THAT THEY ARE FUNDING. >> I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT MANSIONS PARK, IT'S IN THE VERY BACK PIER IT'S GOT THE PROTECTED SPECIES ON IT, AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THIS? >> THE IDEA IS TO CHANGE IT OVER TO PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS THAT WAY IT WASN'T.

IT SHOULD BE DONE THROUGH THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN AND NOT

JUST AS ONE-OFFS. >> THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CLEANUP POSSIBLY AS YOU SAY AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME OTHER ONES THAT HAVE PLUS ONE IN ONE YEAR AND NOT THE OTHER.

THEY'RE ADDING PEOPLE IN 27? WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY LISTED

THEM IN 26, DOES -- SENSE WOW. >> IT SAYS ZERO AND 26, SOME OF THEM WE IMPROVED IN 26. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE AND GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A BREAK. THAT WAS MY BIG THING.

TAX SHARE WE MIGHT WANT TO CHECK I THINK WE CONFUSE 26 AND 27 IN SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE AND I MAY ALREADY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FACILITIES VERSUS PROPERTY MAINTENANCE TO KEEP THE PROPERTIES PARKED.

WAY DON'T SEE ANY FUNCTIONS ON THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.

SO I GOT CONFUSED. >> I THINK THE INTENT IS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE BUILDING MAINTENANCE FOR ONE LINE.

IN PREVIOUS YEARS IT WAS NON-DEPARTMENTAL WHERE IT NEEDS

TO BE UNDER ITS OWN. >> WE ONLY HAVE TWO.

>> FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, ONE THING CALLED PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. I GOT CONFUSED ON THOSE.

MY WHOLE DATA GOVERNANCE THING. OVERALL ORGANIZATIONAL START WOULD HAVE BEEN -- ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.

>> IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO INCLUDE

THAT RIGHT NOW. >> I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE MERIT SYSTEM IN HERE, WE SHARED THE CHALLENGES OF THAT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT IT IN GOVERNMENT WITH PERFORMANCE METRICS AND PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS.

STREETS, PAGE 15. DID I SAY PAGE 15? I HAVE TO SWITCH BACK ON YOU, PAGE 15.

AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU WHY I HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS DEPARTMENT AND FUND RELATIONSHIPS AND THERE IS A FUND THAT'S CALLED STREETS THAT STREET MAINTENANCE DOES NOT UTILIZE IT ONLY UTILIZES IT'S UTILIZED BY STRAITS AND WASTE WATER AND SEWER UTILIZE THE STREET MAINTENANCE BUT STREET DOESN'T UTILIZE THE STREETS MAINTENANCE.

>> AND -- I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET WITH YOU ON THAT ONE, IT'S THINGS THAT ARE TIED. VARIOUS FUNDS, IF WE DO A WATER

LINE. >> IT STILL HAS A STREET REPAIR AMOUNT THAT IS TIED TO THAT. AND THAT IS WHY ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

>> AT ONE . I WANT TO LOOK A BIT DIFFERENT INTO TRANSFER IN AND CHAPTER OUT CONCERNING WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE PREVIOUS YEARS ABOUT CHARGING ENTERPRISE FOR ADMIN FRANCHISE FEES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT

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>> AS FAR AS REVENUE EXPENSES? >> REVENUE.

>> IN WHICH PARTICULAR AREA? >> IS JUST THE GENERAL FUND

AREA. >> YES, WE DO ANTICIPATE WE WERE THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BUT NOT IN ONE PARTICULAR LOCATION, THAT IS OVER ALL OF OUR REVENUE STREAMS.

>> PAGE 119. >> IS PROBABLY STREET MAINTENANCE AND YOU COULD PUT IT BACK WHERE IT IS HERE IS MY QUESTION ON THIS ONE. WE ARE GOING UP IN 2026, I'M -- ON $55,000 TO 1.8 MILLION. DO WE HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL CAPACITY FOR THAT INCREASE? I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE DOING IT, WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE SAYING WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THIS BAND THAT'S OUT THERE, BUT DO WE HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL CAPACITY TO

MAKE THAT BIGGER STEP IN A YEAR? >> THAT MIGHT BE THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, IT'S GOING TO BE USING THAT STREET MAINTENANCE FUND.

I ASSUME THAT'S THE FUND YOU ARE LOOKING AT, IT'S GOING TO BE -- A LOT OF THAT WILL BE IN ONE PAYMENT REHAB PROJECT, WHEREAS BEFORE YOU DID NOT PROGRAM IN THOSE PROJECTS OUT OF THOSE

FUNDS,. >> THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT YOU

WOULD DO WHETHER DIGIT FIVE. >> IT WILL BE MANAGED BY

STREETS. >> NO.

, THERE'S A CONTRACTOR THEY WILL HAVE TO MANAGE BUT THEY'RE NOT

DOING THE WORK THEMSELVES. >> YOU WILL HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL SKILL SET TO MANAGE A CONTRACT.

>> IT'S SOMETHING I WONDER AB ABOUT.

>> THE EDC HAS NO FUND BALANCE IN 27?

>> NO? I'M NOT SURE.

>> I LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER ONES, WE ARE GETTING FUND BALANCE WE HAVE A BEGINNING FUND BALANCE AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THEY

END WITH. >> WE'RE CHECKING ALL THE FUND BALANCES, ONCE THEY START PUTTING IN THE CIP MEMBERS SEPARATELY, THINGS STARTED TO GET WONKY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE

PUSHING THAT CIP TRANSITION. >> WE'RE HAVING NO EXPENDITURES BECAUSE THERE'S A STRICT RESTRICTION ON WHAT WE CAN SPEND

THE TAXES ON? >> YES, MA'AM,.

>> SAME FOR THE OTHER RESTRICTED FUNDS.

>> I THINK I TALKED ABOUT TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENTS VERSUS TRAVEL,

SOME DATA CLAIM AND THINGS. >> IN THE HR ROLES, UNDER HR.

>> DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> WHERE DO I GET MY TAB? DO YOU NEED ME TO DO YOURS? IN THE HR, I'M KEEN ON PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS, BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY RIGHT? AND PERFORMANCE METRICS, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH A MERIT SYSTEM, I DO NOT SEE A ROLE RELATED ANYTHING TO PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE JOB OF FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT BELONGS TO ACCOUNTANTS, I BELIEVE IT BELONGS TO MANAGERS. JOB MANAGERS BELONGS TO -- DOES NOT BELIEVE TO HR, IT BELONGS TO MANAGERS TO MANAGE PERSONNEL BUT I GREW UP HERE WHERE HR TRACKED PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS, WERE THEY DONE, WERE THEY NOT DONE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

IS THAT NOT THE ROLE OF OUR CURRENT HR? I KNOW HR DOES NOT DO PAYROLL FOR EXAMPLE BUT IS THAT UNDER

COMP AND BENEFITS? >> YOU HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AT FILLING IN GAPS LIKE MANAGING PROPERTY WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT BUT DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT IS GOING

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ANYWAY. >> UNTIL WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION BENEFIT ANALYSIS DONE AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT MERIT SYSTEM IS ULTIMATELY DESIGNED BY OR HOW, THAT WAS WHEN WE WOULD START LOOKING INTO IDENTIFYING THAT ROLE.

>> OKAY. WE WILL LOOK AT REDOING IT AT

THAT POINT. >> ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARTICULAR ROLE MANAGING THAT PARTICULAR FUNCTION.

>> ON PAGE 201, FINANCE, AND EVERYBODY CAN HAVE A SIGH OF RELIEF, I'M NOT ASKING ANYTHING ON THAT.

CONTRACT SERVICES WENT UP A LOT IN FINANCE.

>> I STILL HAVE TERRY MCCORD LISTED THERE AND THEN WE ARE ALSO UTILIZING A THIRD PARTY FOR PAYROLL CURRENTLY.

>> OKAY. PAGE 215, WHICH WOULD BE THE PD, WHAT -- WHERE DID DAVID GO? THEY'VE GONE UP LIKE A HUNDRED

000 ON THE DISPATCH. >> YES.

... >> I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP WHILE DAVID WAS HERE. OKAY.

ANYBODY FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN IF I'M PASSING ANYTHING? THAT'S GOING TO CORRECT ITSELF. I DO HAVE SOME THINGS ON PARKS AND FACILITIES THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER. SOME OF THAT RECONCILIATION STUFF GETS ME NEEDING TO UNDERSTAND WITH MORE CLARITY AND OF COURSE THE CIP THAT OTHERWISE THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS YOU

CAN EITHER HAVE THE BOOK. >> WE WILL COORDINATE.

>> I ALREADY COORDINATED WITH THOMAS.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEARING WITH ME ON THIS, WHY WE'RE SITTING HERE AND TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR CITIZENS TAX RATES IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE WE HAVE OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND WE'RE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT TO. THERE'S A LOT OF DATA BUT SOME OTHER INFORMATION AND SOME OF THE EXPENSES AND WE'RE EXPLAINING WHAT WE'RE DOING IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR THEM AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION TODAY, IF YOU'RE EVER WATCHING REMEMBER, IN A WAY IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE EVEN THE NO NEW REVENUE IS GOING UP BECAUSE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS.

AT THE STATE LEVEL THEY'RE GIVING TAX BREAKS WHICH IS FORCING US AT THAT LOWER LEVELS TO HAVE TO INCREASE OUR RATES AUTOMATICALLY INCREASE AS WE HAVE SEEN ON HERE AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES THAT HAS HAPPENED.

THAT RATE OF REVENUE HAS AUTOMATICALLY GONE UP AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

WE HAVE TO TAKE MORE OF THE WEIGHT.

>> IT'S ALSO THE PERSONAL PROPERTY CHANGE.

>> THEY WANTED TO SEE MORE. >> I THINK THAT'S ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES THAT WE WILL TAKE ON TO MAKE SURE.

THEY GET TO BE THE GOOD GUYS, WE HAVE TO BE THE BAD GUYS KIND OF THINGS. I THINK YOU HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS EIP AND SOME OF THIS IS JUST A BIG CLEANUP. I WILL STOP NOW.

>> IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?

>> MY QUESTION IS LESS THE BUDGET ITSELF, I KNOW THIS IS A SLOW PROCESS OF WHAT WE WILL START SEEING THINGS AND COMPARING THE TWO, I LOOK AT ONE VERSUS THE OTHER, IT HELPS TO SEE IT OVER TIME, THERE ARE SOME DISCREPANCIES, MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT IT TOO LONG. AFTER ABOUT 30 MINUTES IT NO LONGER SWITCHES TO ANOTHER TAB AND IF THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE I GOT STUCK ON FINANCE AND I KUMAR --

COULD NOT MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE. >> COULD YOU SHOW ME THAT AT A LATER TIME BECAUSE I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED THAT ONE.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS THIS IS WHY I PRINTED IT OUT, IS WHY I NEED MORE -- WHY I NEED MORE EYES ON IT.

>> IT LOOKS AMAZING. >> , NAVIGATING, I DO NOT KNOW

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>> I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THAT. >> ON THE VIRTUAL VERSION.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?

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>> THANK YOU JOSH, APPRECIATE IT.

>> GREAT WORK STAFF, THANK YOU. WE WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER PURSUANT TO ACCESS CODE SECTION 551 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY, THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING PENDING

AN >> WE RECONVENED, RECONVENED

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