Sep 23, 2026 City Council

[1) CALL TO ORDER]

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>> WE ARE GOING TO CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:00 P.M. CAN ESTABLISH CORE PLEASE? -- KANAYA ESTABLISH QUORUM, PLEASE.

WE HAVE QUORUM. IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE STAND, WE ARE GOING TO RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

THROAT TONIGHT. I AM NOT CONTAGIOUS, JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW. BUT, TONIGHT, WE HAVE OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS HERE WITH US TONIGHT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND WE ARE GOING TO BE ADDING A JOINT MEETING AT THE BEGINNING. SO SINCE YOU ARE ALL HERE, WE WILL HAVE YOU ESTABLISH QUORUM, PLEASE.

[2) PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> ALL RIGHT. WITH QUORUM PRESENT, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD ON ITEM NUMBER 2. PUBLIC COMMENTS.

CITY SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE HAVE MIRA BOYD-- MYRA BOYD, EXCUSE ME.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I AM MIRA BOYD.

I LIVE AT 333 DRIVE-IN CEDAR PARK.

I AM HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE UDC REWRITE.

WE WANT THOUGHTFUL GROWTH, BUT THESE REQUIREMENTS TAKEN TOGETHER RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT IF PROJECTS WILL REMAIN FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. THE 60% IMPERVIOUS COVER CAP AND LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE COST ACROSS LESS USABLE SPACE DRIVES UP RENTING CONSUMER PRICES. LIBERTY HILL CANNOT COMMAND AUSTIN RENTS. IF MM REPLACES C1 AND C2 ON MAC IT NEEDS TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES THAT THOSE DISTRICTS SERVE. REQUIRING CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR DRIVERS ADDS UNCERTAINTY, TIME AND EXPENSES FOR RESTAURANTS, COFFEE SHOPS, BANKS, ET CETERA.

THAT DISCRETIONARY PROCESS CAN SEND TENANTS TO OTHER CITIES.

ALONG OUR HIGHWAYS, RETAILERS NEED VISIBILITY AND FRONT DOOR PARKING. CUSTOMERS DO NOT WANT TO PART BEHIND A BUILDING AND WALKED AROUND TO ENTER, REQUIRING BUILDINGS ALONG THE STREET WITH REAR PARKING WORKS AGAINST THAT.

THESE PARKING LOTS ALSO RAISE SAFETY CONCERNS FOR CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES AT NIGHT. MAJOR RETAILERS FACE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON EXPERIENCE-- ACROSS THOUSANDS OF STORES.

AND THE MEETING PARKING ON THOSE SPOTS CAN THIS QUALIFY A SITE ALTOGETHER. FROM A MULTIFAMILY REQUIRING STRUCTURED PARKING WHILE EXCLUDING GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS SKIPS AN IMPORTANT STEP.

GARDEN STYLE PROJECTS OFFER A LESS EXPENSIVE PRODUCT AND ESTABLISH RENTS THAT CAN EVENTUALLY SUPPORT HIGHER COST CONSTRUCTION. REQUIRING THAT EXPENSIVE CONSTRUCTION TO-- COULD SOON PREVENT HOUSING FROM BEING BUILT. IF BURNING REQUIRES AN UNAFFORDABLE LODGE OR COSTLY BUILDING FEATURES.

THESE ARE URBAN STANDARDS BEING APPLIED TO A MARKET WITHOUT THE RENT TO SUPPORT THEM. TO GATHER THESE REQUIREMENTS COULD MAKE TRADITIONAL RETAIL CENTERS FINANCIALLY IMPOSSIBLE, SENDING BUSINESSES AND SALES TAX REVENUES TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. BEFORE ADOPTION, PLEASE WORK WITH DEVELOPERS ACTIVE HERE TO TEST THE STANDARDS AGAINST REAL PROJECT BUDGETS. CONSIDERING LAND, COST, CONSTRUCTION COST, FINANCING, AND THE ACHIEVABLE RENT.

PLEASE OFFER A CLEAR PROTECTIONS FOR PROJECTS ALREADY IN PROCESS SO THAT REQUIREMENTS DON'T CHANGE MIDWAY THROUGH PLANNING AND INVESTMENT. WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON QUALITY GROWTH, BUT THE CODE MUST REFLECT THE MARKET SO THAT

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>> WE HAVE BRIT PULL. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF. I LIVE AT 3310 KIRBY LANE IN AUSTIN TEXAS. I WORK WITH A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT FIRM HERE IN LIBERTY HILL IN AUSTIN. WE WORKED DAILY ON ENTITLEMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS ACROSS CENTRAL TEXAS, AND I APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO WEIGH IN BEFORE THE UDC IS ADOPTED. I WANT SMART OF ELEMENT THAT GENUINELY BENEFITS LIBERTY HILL. NOT A CODE THAT UNINTENTIONALLY HALTS THE GROWTH THAT THIS CITY IS COUNTING ON.

LIBERTY HILL HAS AMBITIOUS PLANS DOWNTOWN, BUT PRIVATE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN. UNLIKE GEORGETOWN, WE DO NOT YET HAVE A HIGHWAY, COURTHOUSE, UNIVERSITY OR ESTABLISHED TOURISM INCREMENT. THAT MEANS THE CITY WILL HELP TO FUND FINANCE GROWTH ITSELF, THE RE SALES AND PROPERTY TAX BASE THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOP AND ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY GENERATES.

A CODE THAT MAKES IT HARDER TO BUILD AND FINANCE RETAIL NARROWS THE VERY FUNDING BASE THAT DOWNTOWN NEEDS.

AND LIBERTY HILL WILL ALSO NEED MORE DENSITY NEARBY TO GIVE THOSE FUTURE BUSINESSES A CUSTOMER BASE TO SURVIVE.

I AM ASKING THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO SEND NODULE THREE BACK TO BE RECONSIDERED AND... AT A TRUE MYSTIC... MULTIFAMILY HOUSING TYPE. REVISE THE PARKING CAP AND PLACEMENT RULES, AND REMOVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT FOR DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS. HERE IS WHY.

C1 IS CAPPED AT 75% IMPERVIOUS COVER.

IT'S SUCCESSOR IS BEING CUT TO 60.

C3 IS CURRENTLY 85%. MC IS CUT TO 80.

LESS BUILDABLE COVERAGE MEANS LESS SPACE PARAYKO, AND HIGH RENT TO COVER THE SAME FIXED COST.

FOR MANY PROJECTS THAT MATT WILL NOT PENCIL.

THE BANK DECLINES THE LONE AND THE PROJECTS GET SHELVED, NOT DELAYED. MEANING NO NEW RETAILER TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY. IN THIS STATE, PROTECTING THE AQUIFER RECHARGE DOES NOT HOLD UP.

WE DON'T LIVE IN THE RECHARGE ZONE MILES AWAY.

A CULTURE BIDDING ZONE SITE DOES NOT RECHARGE THE OFFICE OF WHERE IT SITS, AND IT'S RUNOFF QUALITY, NOT COVERAGE THAT THE STATE ALREADY REGULATES. THERE IS ALSO NO GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT PRODUCT ALLOWED IN THIS CODE.

ONLY ATTACHED PRODUCT WAS STRUCTURED PARKING WHICH CAN ADD 30 TO $60,000 IN HARD COST PER UNIT.

LIBERTY HILL'S RENT CANNOT SUPPORT THAT, AND LENDERS WILL NOT FIND A DEAL THAT DOES NOT PENCIL.

GARDEN STYLE IS THE STANDARD PRODUCT ACROSS CEDAR PARK, GEORGETOWN AND LEANDRA. WITHOUT IT, THE CITY GETS NO NEW APARTMENTS AND NO NEW DENSITY SUPPORT DOWNTOWN.

FINALLY CAPPING AND HIDING PARKING BEHIND BUILDINGS HURTS RETAILERS DIRECTLY. NO CUSTOMER WANTS TO PART BEHIND A BUILDING ON THE STREET OR FAR AWAY AND SIMPLY SHOP ELSEWHERE.

AND THAT IS LOST SALES TAX FOR THE CITY.

THE SAME TAXES THAT DOWNTOWN NEED.

MOST IMPORTANT A, SPACE WITHIN HIDDEN PARKING SIMPLY WILL NOT LEASE. PEOPLE DO NOT SHOP WHERE THEY CANNOT SEE THEIR CAR ON THE STREET OR IN THE ROAD.

IT FEELS INCONVENIENT AND IT DOESN'T FEEL SAFE.

TENANTS KNOW THAT LOCATION WILL UNDER BEFORE-- UNDERPERFORM BEFORE THEY EVER SIGN A LEASE. THAT SPACE EITHER SITS VACANT, OR MORE LIKELY, IT NEVER GETS BUILT AT ALL.

BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER CANNOT GET FINANCING OR FIND TENANTS FOR A SITE THAT THE MARKET HAS TOLD THEM WILL NOT WORK.

I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO NOT LOOK AT THIS MAJOR REVISION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> JENNIFER GALLAGHER.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MINE IS A LITTLE SHORTER. MY NAME IS JENNIFER GALLAGHER.

I LIVE AND WORK IN THE LIBERTY HILLS DISTRICT AREA.

I SHOP HERE. I CARE ABOUT HOW THE CITY GROWS, AND I WANT OVERGROWTH TO BE SMART.

THAT MEANS MAKING SURE THE RULES THAT WE ADOPT LEAD TO THINGS THAT ACTUALLY GET BUILT. PLACES TO SHOP, PLACES TO TAKE OUR CHILDREN FOR ENTERTAINMENT, TO EAT AND WERE CLOSE TO HOME.

WORK IN CLOSE TO HOME HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN AS IMPORTANT, BUT NOW THAT WE ARE STARTING TO LEAVE OUR HOMES AND TRAVEL TO WORK, BRINGING WORK OPTIONS TO LIBERTY HILL WILL BE A BIG DEAL.

I ASKED COUNCIL TO KEEP UP THE CONVERSATIONS AND KEEP TALKING

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BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MARKET HERE CAN SUPPORT.

AS BRIT PULL JUST WENT THROUGH, MANY OF THE OPTIONS, I THINK WE CAN START TO SEE, WHEN WE LIMIT DEVELOPMENT WE LIMIT PROSPERITY AND GROWTH. THIS MEANS FEWER LOCAL JOBS, FEWER CHOICES, AND MORE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS GOING TO NEIGHBORING CITIES. LET US INVEST AND BUILD LIBERTY HILL-- A LIBERTY HILL THAT WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND PLAY HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I AM ALYSSA PRUITT.

I LIVE AT 365 CAPSTONE ROAD. I'M A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL HERE IN LIBERTY HILL. I HAVE BEEN A LEASE-- LICENSED REAL ESTATE AGENT SINCE 2017. I WORK IN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO ASKED COUNCIL, THE COMMISSION, CITY STAFF, TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH LOCAL DEVELOPMENT THAT REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS IN THE UDC REWRITE, PROCESS, AND PARTICULARLY, AS YOU CONSIDER MODULE THREE. MODULE THREE DIRECTLY AFFECTS MY CLIENTS ON THE PROPERTIES I REPRESENT HERE IN LIBERTY HILL.

I CURRENTLY REPRESENT THREE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE CHANGES. TWO OF WHICH ARE RESIDENTIAL.

THESE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BUY LOCAL PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES WHO MADE RULES THAT THAT THE REAL MARKET CONDITIONS.

AS LIBERTY HILL CONTINUES TO INVEST IN AND REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN, I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE PURSUE INTENTIONAL, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH, WILL ALSO CONSIDERING THE PEOPLE AND PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.

THE STANDARDS THAT WE ADOPT NEED TO WORK NOT ONLY ON PAPER, BUT IN PRACTICE. SO AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I WANT TO ASK THE COUNCIL, COMMISSION, AND CITY STAFF FOR ONE THING. PLEASE CONTINUE TO INVOLVE THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT AND REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS WHO WORK WITH THESE PROPERTIES EVERY DAY.

AT THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE PRACTICAL FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW THE STANDARDS WILL AFFECT REAL PROPERTIES, REAL TRANSACTIONS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, REAL PEOPLE BEHIND THEM RIGHT HERE IN LIBERTY HILL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND CONTINUED SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

[3)JOINT WORK SESSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION]

>> WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE.

THIS IS OUR JOINT WORK SESSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND THIS IS A PRESENTATION BY FREESE AND NICHOLS, DISCUSSING OUR MODULE THREE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UDC REWRITE, AND THE SH 29 CORRIDOR REPORT.

WE WILL START WITH ROBIN. >> THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.

AS WAS MENTIONED, I'M GOING OVER MODULE THREE FOR THE UNIFIED DEVELOP AND CODE REWRITE. KIND OF WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK. WE STARTED THIS PROJECT MORE THAN A YEAR AGO. THIS PROJECT WAS INITIATED FOLLOWING THE ADOPTION OF SEVERAL LONG-RANGE PLANS, INCLUDING OUR 24 A PLAN, AS WELL AS OUR DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS ARE THE OVERALL UMBRELLA DOCUMENTS THAT ARE GUIDING US THROUGH THIS UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

WE WILL TALK YOU THROUGH A LOT OF THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT ALL THESE DOCUMENTS ARE STILL DRAFT FORM. SO THESE ARE ALL WITH ENGAGING WITH THE PUBLIC. WE ARE JUST AT A POINT TODAY THAT WE WANT TO ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRAFT.

AT THIS POINT ALL THREE MODULES HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO US, AND THERE ARE FOUR TOTAL. THEY ARE ALL BEING WORKED THROUGH WITH STAFF. MODULE FOUR THEY ARE REVISING BASED ON STAFF COMMENTS TODAY. AND THERE IS MUCH MORE TO COME ON THAT ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, RESIDENTS, AND I WILL SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THAT MORE IN THE PRESENTATION. WITHOUT ALTERING YOU OVER TO OUR CONSULTANT. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE MET.

BUT CHANCE WILL LEAD THIS PART OF THE PRESENT CASE-- PRESENTATION. AND YOU CAN ALSO TALK TO ME

THROUGHOUT. >> THANK YOU, ROBIN.

MY PLAN FOR THIS EVENING IS TO GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS, I WILL GO THROUGH THAT FAIRLY QUICK BEFORE I GET TO A FEW POLICY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. WHEN IT COMES TIME TO TAKE CARE PLAN AND TURN IT INTO ACTION, IT BECOMES A POLICY CONVERSATION ON KEY DECISIONS AND KEY GUIDANCE FOR HOW TO IMPLEMENT THIS THE LIBERTY HILL WAY. YOU ARE THIS UPDATE FROM WHEREVER YOU ARE. THE MODULE FOR STAFF.

THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THAT NOW. ALSO WITH THE ROUNDTABLE WE HAVE FEEDBACK FROM THAT. AS WELL.

WHICH YOU MAY APPRECIATE. AND THAT WILL BE A CONTINUING EFFORT AS WE GO THROUGH. MODULE THREE HAS FIVE ARTICLES IN THE CODE. AND MODULE FOUR BRINGS IN A FULL

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AND WE WILL GET TO THAT LATER ON.

BUT THE GOAL THIS EVENING IS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT KEY TOPICS AND GETTING SOLID DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL.

ENGAGEMENT TIME GOES BACK TO JUNE OF 25.

OUR MOST RECENT ACTIVITIES I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH.

THE THING IS THAT THE GATE-- ENGAGEMENT DISCONTINUOUS.

WE WILL COME BACK AND TALK MORE AND MORE ON THAT AS WE MOVE TOWARDS A FINAL DRAFT STATUS ON THAT.

THEMES WE HAVE HEARD OUT OF THIS, A LOT OF INTEREST ON 29.

TRAFFIC AND SAFE ACCESS. BY PRESERVING THE LIGHTING STANDARDS. PROTECTING YOUR TREE CANOPY.

PRIORITIZING LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND THE DESIRE FOR CLEAR STREAMLINING AND ALIGNMENT. THAT LAST ONE IS IMPORTANT.

BECAUSE THAT COMES THROUGH A PROCESS, WHERE WE WORKED THROUGH EACH DRAFT SUBSEQUENTLY AND WE ARE ABLE TO STREAMLINE MORE, SIMPLIFYING MORE WHILE HAVING EFFECTIVE STANDARDS IN PLACE.

SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WHICH INCLUDE DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC REALIZE SIMILAR THINGS ABOUT TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND CONSISTENCY. THE DESIGN FOR FLEXIBILITY, AND TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. AND WE SAW THE INTEREST IN DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT REEMERGE ALONG THIS INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY AND SOME CLARITY IN THAT AREA.

THIS SURVEY SO THE DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET POP-UP A BIT MORE, ALONG WITH 1869. IT IS THAT CENTER OF LIBERTY HILL. THE SUPPORT FOR LOCAL RESTAURANTS, SHOPS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, TRAFFIC CONGESTION SIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ONLINE ENGAGEMENT.

WE HEARD GOOD FEEDBACK ON THIS. GOOD PARTICIPATION.

CODES DO NOT GENERALLY DRAW BY PARTICIPATION.

THEY ARE A VERY DRY TOPIC FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SO WE WERE EXCITED TO SEE THESE RESULTS FROM THIS.

GOT SOME GOOD INDICATORS FROM IT.

ASKING SOME KEY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE THESE ICONIC ELEMENTS TO LIBERTY HILL. WHAT THINGS DO PEOPLE VALUE THE MOST? I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE CODE IS IN TERMS OF VALUE IN TO STANDARDS.

ASKING TO IDENTIFY PLACES THAT PEOPLE LIKE.

IF THESE ARE PLACES PEOPLE LIKE THAT'S THINGS WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE OUR DEVELOPER FIRST ROUNDTABLE.

HEARD SEVERAL COMMENTS ON THAT ABOUT DESIRED DENSITY, WHAT MAKES THE MATH WORK? THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT TIME IN THE CAPACITIES. STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN GETTING THE CORRECT RESTRICTIONS WHILE KEEPING THAT CHARACTER.

AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ALTERNATIVE APPROACHES AND HELPING TO ADVANCE REQUIREMENTS CAME OUT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

WE FOLLOWED THAT UP RECENTLY WITH ROUNDTABLE NUMBER 2.

HERE WE HEARD A LOT MORE ABOUT FINDING WAYS TO KEEP THE CODE SIMPLE AND FLEXIBLE BUT ALSO PREDICTABLE.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT TEND TO FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER.

IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BE AS PREDICTABLE AS POSSIBLE YOU WANT TO SPECIFY AS MUCH-- AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THAT CAN MAKE IT MORE COMPLEX. BUT IF YOU MAKE IT TO SIMPLE YOU INTRODUCE VAGUENESS AND DISCRETION FOR STAFF ALONG THE WAY. THAT CAN BE IT'S OWN SET OF CHALLENGES. WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PRACTICAL MINIMUMS FROM THE AUDIENCE TODAY.

AND THINGS WE ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT.

WE MADE ADJUSTMENTS FOR CERTAIN THINGS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE THEM. AND AGAIN THE EMPHASIS ON FEASIBILITY. SO LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, IT'S GENUINELY ORGANIZED BASED ON HOW WE SEE USERS TAP IN THE CODE. AN EXAMPLE IS YOUR PROCESS DOCUMENTS. HOW DO YOU GET FROM POINT A TO POINT BE IN THE CODE. FROM THERE GETS INTO STANDARDS THAT TEND TO AFFECT THE SITE SELECTION CONVERSATION.

WHAT IS ALLOWED, WHAT ARE THE KEY DEVELOP AND STANDARDS.

AND THERE YOU GET INTO THE TECHNICAL SIDE FOR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS LOOKING AT SITE DESIGN, ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS, TECHNICAL TYPES OF STANDARDS, INFRASTRUCTURE.

SEPARATE CONTRACTORS ARE LOOKING AT THE REST OF THIS CODE.

THEY ARE FOCUSED ON MAKING IT EASIEST AND FINDING THE COMMON

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THIS IS PUTTING OUT THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR HOW THIS OFTEN HAPPENS, PARTICULARLY FOR DEEPER SITES CARE-- WHERE SOMETIMES THE DEEPER PORTION OF THE SITE IS WORKING FOR A MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT WHILE YOU HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL.

AND THE DOWNTOWN HAS BEEN A UNIQUE AREA.

WE ARE TAKING YOUR DOWNTOWN PLAN AND BRINGING THAT IN TO THE CODE PROCESS, RESULTING IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS, ALONG WITH YOUR PUD STANDARDS AND YOUR NEW STANDARD DESIGNED TO ADDRESS FLEXIBLE LEADS AND CHARACTER GIVING ELEMENTS TO THAT AREA. ROBIN, HE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS?

>> THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THIS WITH THE REZONING CASE, IT COMES UP PRETTY OFTEN. THIS WAS THE MAP THAT WAS ADOPTED WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE USE. DESCRIPTIONS OF ALL THOSE PLACE TYPES, AND IT'S UTILIZED AS A BASIS FOR MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COMMISSION AND COUNCIL FOR RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL. AND THE USE OF THIS MAP IS IMPLEMENTED IN TO THE CODE OF ITSELF.

BECAUSE TODAY THE FUTURE USE MAP IN THE ZONING DON'T MESS WITH EACH OTHER. SO THE IMPORTANCE OF USING THIS DOCUMENT AND USING OUR 2040 PLAN TO GUIDE THIS, I WANTED TO SET THE STAGE AS WE GO INTO TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. BUT THIS IS REALLY LAYING THE

FRAMEWORK FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU, ROBIN.

SO YOU HAVE PRINTOUTS OF THIS. LOOKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE EXISTING PROPERTY RIGHTS THROUGH THESE CODE CHANGES. SO YOU HAVE YOUR EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS IN SOME CASES BEING COMBINED.

ONE INSTANCE OF..., YOU HAVE YOUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THAT IS ALL ONE DISTRICT. A VERY LARGE AREA.

ESSENTIALLY ENTIRELY YOUR WHAT I WOULD CALL OLD TOWN AREA.

YOUR DOWNTOWN PLAN CALLS FOR A-- SOME VARIATION IN THE TYPES OF STANDARDS YOU HAVE BASED ON WHERE YOU ARE IN DOWNTOWN.

THAT'S WHAT HAS LED TO THAT PARTICULAR SPLIT.

BUT MOST OF THESE ARE LOOKING TO COMBINE, OR IN SOME CASES ADD-- FOR EXAMPLE THE 29 OVERLAY. BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE VISION AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REALITIES OF WHAT IS ON THE GROUND, HOW WE CAN MOVE INCREMENTALLY TOWARDS THAT, AND ALSO KNOWLEDGE PROJECTS ALREADY IN PROGRESS THROUGH THAT SPACE.

SO WE DO JUST A QUICK CONVERSION.

OF THESE DISTRICTS, AS THEY STAND TODAY AND IN THE NEW FRAMEWORK. THIS IS A RESULTING MAP.

WE ARE WORKING ON A SLIDER MAP SO YOU CAN SLIDE THIS BACK AND FORTH AND SEE HOW THIS WORKS FROM TODAY VERSUS UPON ADOPTION.

SO YOU CAN GET A HANDLE ON WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE ON THE GROUND.

ALONG THE WAY. WE DO TEND TO FOCUS ON THIS CODE A LOT, MORE ON QUALITY DEVELOPED-- QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT OVER LAND-USE. DOWNTOWN YOU'RE SEEING THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE. AND THE NAAN RESIDENTIAL WERE ADDING BIG BOX DEVELOPERS, QUALITY... SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CODE. RESIDENTIAL WE HAVE ORGANIZED DESIGN STANDARDS AND CONSOLIDATED WITH THE FACTOR HOUSING. THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITY-WIDE ISSUES. OR PARKING CIRCULATION, LANDSCAPING, SIGNED STANDARDS LIKE THAT THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET TWO WITNESSES HAVING SOLID BASE STANDARDS, A GOOD MINIMUM.

AND WE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON SOME PATHWAY TO ESSENTIALLY REWARD PEOPLE THAT GO BEYOND THE MINIMUM STANDARD SOMEHOW.

DOING HIGHER-QUALITY THINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

WE LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. WE WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THAT FURTHER. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THAT PROCESS. BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS THAT TEND TO BE CHARACTER GIVING.

WHETHER THAT'S A MATERIAL SELECTION, A DESIGN SELECTION, HOW THEY ARE ADDRESSING PRESERVATION AREAS, ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THAT. AND WE ARE WORKING THROUGH WHAT ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS AND IDEAS FOR THAT.

BECAUSE WE WANT A SYSTEM THAT CAN BE ENTICING AND DESIRABLE.

YOU HAVE YOUR DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

YOUR DOWNTOWN PLAN ITSELF SHOWS FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISTRICTS. LOOKING AT THE NUANCE WITHIN YOUR PLAN, WE COULD PROBABLY ACCOMPLISH THIS AND GET YOU THERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO DISTRICTS AND YOUR MIXED

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AND TWO DISTRICTS, THE BEST EXPLANATION FOR THIS IS YOUR DOWNTOWN CORE DISTRICT WHICH I HAVE TO REMEMBER IS HERE AND NOT IN YOUR CITY HALL DOWNTOWN. LAST YEAR I WAS POINTING OUT THE WINDOW AND REALIZED I WAS NOT AT THE RIGHT PLACE.

BUT THE STREET IS WHAT YOU SEE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM CITY HALL RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA ALONG THERE. STRONG STOREFRONT PRESENCE.

FEELS LIKE WHAT PEOPLE CLASSICALLY THINK OF AS DOWNTOWN. THE SECOND ONE IS WHAT WE CALL DOWNTOWN MIX. BEST EXPLANATION FOR WHAT THIS IS IS THAT IT ALLOWS FOR THAT BUT IT RECOGNIZES YOU HAVE THIS UNIQUE INTERMIXING OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REPURPOSED. IT'S WHAT WE WOULD CALL A VILLAGE LIKE MAKE SURE. WHERE IT HAPPENED VERY ORGANICALLY. WE WANT TO KEEP THAT ASPECT AND KEEP THAT FLEXIBILITY. SO THERE YOU SEE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDING TYPES EMERGE THERE. I DO HAVE THESE BUILDING TYPES TO PROVIDE YOU A VISUAL EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, ORIGINAL COMMERCIAL BUILDING, COTTAGE COURT.

THAT'S VISUAL. I LIKE TO PAINT THE PICTURE A

LITTLE BIT. >> THE SPEAKER: WE ARE GOING TO STOP HERE FOR A SECOND BEFORE MOVING TO THE NEXT TOPIC.

THESE ARE THE THINGS WE DID FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS ABOUT DOWNTOWN AND THE PERMITTING PROCEDURE, AND HOW SOMETIMES THE HOUSES THAT YOU WANT TO DEVELOP, AND IT'S KIND OF THE CHARACTER OF HOW DOWNTOWN HAS DEVELOPED, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO DO. SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THAT BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK WAS A STREAMLINED PROCESS TO WHERE WE CAN GO THROUGH OUR SITE PLANNING PROCESS AND IT'S A CONVERSATION WITH THAT BUILDING PERMIT.

ESSENTIALLY MOST OF WHAT'S INCORPORATED INTO THAT, SOMETIMES THERE IS PARKING NEEDED, THERE IS PROPOSED ABILITIES FOR THAT PARKING TO BE FLEXIBLE IN THE DRAFT CODE.

AND IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH ADDED LANDSCAPING.

SO IT'S A MINIMUM REVIEW AS IT IS.

SO WE HAVE THAT IS PART OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT SO WE CAN SEE THOSE PROPERTIES. EVEN IF THERE IS A TENANT THAT WANTS TO LEAVE, WE CAN DO THAT QUICKER.

I'M GOING TO LEAD INTO THE PART WHERE I WANT US TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

I WILL TALK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLANE-- MASTER PLAN CONTEMPLATES THE MAIN CITY PLAN QUITE A BIT. AND I'VE HEARD TALKS FROM COUNCIL AT MEETINGS AND IN OTHER AREAS ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. SONG GOING TO GO THROUGH WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE AND GET DIRECTION ON AN ENSURING WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. ONE OF THESE DOES AFFECT THE UNIFIED EVOLVEMENT CODE PROCESS, AND ONE DOES NOT.

FROM A DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT IS PRESERVING YOUR HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AREAS THROUGH YOUR CITIES ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS WHAT A UNIFIED VELVET CODE DOES.

AND IT'S A LEHMANS PRESERVATION TOOL, BUT IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE A MAIN STREET CITY. SO LOTS OF CITIES HAVE THESE, GEORGETOWN HAS A HISTORIC COMMISSION THAT REGULATES THE DEMOLITION OF BUILDINGS WHEN YOU PAINT THE FACADE, AND ANYTHING THAT IS STREET FACING. WHEN YOU THINK OF A DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REGULATIONS YOU TYPICALLY SEE. A MAIN STREET CITY IS A DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PROGRAM. ESTABLISHED BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. THEY MAKE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, INCLUDING HAVING A DESIGNATED MAIN STREET MANAGER OR POSITION, FULL-TIME FOR THAT. IT'S NOT A ZONING DISTRICT.

YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH A BUSINESS COURT-- BUSINESS COURT AREA FOR THE MAIN STREET, WHICH IS THAT AREA YOU WILL INCENTIVIZE THROUGH THAT PROGRAM. AND IT IS ALSO A PRESERVATION TOOL. BUT THE TWO ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS.

IN ORDER TO BE A MAIN STREET CITY YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY. AND TO HAVE THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A MAIN STREET CITY.

THE TWO ARE SEPARATE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR

DISCUSSION, IF ANY? >> I DON'T RECALL-- I THINK WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON A DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WHAT I RECALL WAS WE TALKED ABOUT A HISTORIC MAIN STREET OVERLAY. I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. I DO KNOW AT THE TIME, WHEN I STARTED ON PLANNING AND ZONING THAT WE WOULD TOUCH BASE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUSHING THE LIMITS ON FACADES IF IT WAS A HISTORIC MAIN STREET. AT THE TIME WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAIN STREET. NOT ALL OF MAIN STREET, AS IT IS LABELED TODAY, BUT MAIN STREET, HISTORIC MAIN STREET, FOR AROUND

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WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE FOREST OUT.

SO MAIN STREET. NOT A DISTRICT, BUT AN OVERLAY FOR HISTORIC MAIN STREET. AS IT WAS, TO PROTECT THOSE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO HAVE BEEN PUT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE TIME IS THE TOOL THAT WOULD GET US THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS WORDED IN THE VOTE. BUT IT WAS VOTED ON BY THE TIME I GOT TO COUNCIL. SO WE HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A MAIN STREET CITY AT SOME POINT, BUT WE WERE NOT QUITE READY FOR THAT YET. THIS WAS INTENDED TO PROTECT HISTORIC BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN. I RECALL THE DEPUTY AT THE TIME CALLING ME AND SAYING IF YOU DO THIS YOU CANNOT PAINT YOUR HOUSE PURPLE. I SAID I DON'T WANT TO PAINT MY HOUSE PURPLE. BUT IT REALLY WAS NOT ABOUT A DISTRICT, OR ALL OF DOWNTOWN IS AS IT-- AS IT IS DESIGNATED NOW.

IT WAS NOT ABOUT ALL OF MAIN STREET FROM 29 TO 29.

IT WAS ABOUT PROTECTING HISTORIC MAIN STREET.

THE STREET FROM THIS POINT TO THIS POINT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST TOOL IS TO DO THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE INTENT OF IT WHEN I DID MY MOTION AT SOME POINT, AND IT WAS VOTED ON. AND IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN THERE, WHATEVER. BUT THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF IT.

>> I THINK THAT THAT COVERS IT. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO ADD A TOOL TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT SECTION OF TOWN. WE-- IT WASN'T CALLED MAIN STREET. BACK THEN IT WAS 332.

OR WHATEVER. BEFORE IT WAS RENAMED.

JUST A CITY CENTER SECTION WHERE WE WANTED TO HAVE AN EXPEDITION OLD TOOL TO MAINTAIN WHAT YOU FEEL TODAY.

IT IS STILL THAT WAY TODAY, BUT TO MAINTAIN THAT.

AND IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THE PRESENTATION. BUT I THINK WE WERE CALLING IT

AN OVERLAY AT THE TIME. >> IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HISTORICAL OVERLAY COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING-- WHAT WAS IT

CALLED? >> SHE IS CALLING IT A DISTRICT.

TO ME A DISTRICT WOULD BE A BIGGER PART OF TOWN WHETHER THAT IS CORE DOWNTOWN OR WHATEVER. AND APPARENTLY WE WERE TOLD BACK THEN AT ONE POINT THE CITY HAD A DOWNTOWN OVERLAY.

BUT NOBODY COULD FIND IT. >> SO THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN OVERLAY AND A DISTRICT?

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE DESCRIPTION, SO THE WAY THE DISTRICT SHOULD DOES-- IS DESCRIBED IN THE ADDRESS TODAY IT'S LARGER PARCELS. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE OVERLAY WAS INTENDED FOR WHAT'S FRONTING ON MAIN STREET.

SO PROBABLY AN OVERLAY WOULD BE THE BEST TOOL FOR THAT.

BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT WANTED TO BE ALL OF THE PARCELS BEHIND THAT. IS TO PRESERVE THE STREET FRONTAGE. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>> YES. AND I CAN HELP OUT FURTHER ON THAT. AND OVERLAY DISTRICT AND OTHERS ARE BOTH ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE EYES OF STATE LAWS.

WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HISTORIC DISTRICT IT'S USUALLY APPLIED AS A TYPE OF OVERLAY DISTRICT.

OR IT'S APPLIED AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK TO GO PROPERTY BY PROPERTY. IT'S VERY PRESCRIPTIVE OF HOW THAT IS DONE NOW. THE LEGISLATURE STEPPED IN IN 17 OR 19. I FORGET WHAT YEAR WAS.

BUT THAT ESTABLISHED SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR HOW YOU CREATE A DISTRICT LIKE THIS. AND ALSO ESTABLISH WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH THOSE BUILDING MATERIALS.

THE BUILDING MATERIALS BILL ESTABLISHED THAT IF YOU HAVE YOUR DISTRICT IN PLACE AT THE TIME THAT IS ADOPTED.

SO YOU WOULD DO IT AFTERWARDS. SO YOU DON'T GAIN THAT SAME MATERIAL STANDARD. AND OVERLAY DISTRICT IS A TYPE

OF ZONING DISTRICT. >> ANY LAND THAT PLAYING FOR ME? AND TELL ME THAT BASED ON WHAT WE DESCRIBED, WHAT WOULD THAT BE CALLED, A DISTRICT OR AN OVERLAY? WHAT WE ARE THINKING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BACK THEN?

MAIN STREET, FROM HERE TO HERE? >> HISTORICALLY THAT IS ADOPTED AS OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND CODES. THEY ARE A TYPE OF OVERLAY DISTRICT. WE WOULD CALL THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT-- CALL IT THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.

YOU HAVE A USED SPACE DISTRICT UNDERNEATH IT AND THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY ON TOP ESTABLISHING THAT.

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>> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION-- I HAVE A QUESTION.

I HEARD AND I NEED CLARIFICATION.

ON HISTORICAL DISTRICTS IT PRESERVES THE BUILDING, BUT SO MUCH SO THAT VERY LITTLE CAN BE DONE TO IT, SO IT CAN INHIBIT ACTUAL GROWTH IN THAT BUILDING? BECAUSE A BUSINESS OWNER THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND CREATE A RESTAURANT OUT OF IT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THE CHANGES THEY NEED TO ON THE INSIDE TO ESTABLISH THE BUILDING AS SUCH? IS THAT TRUE?

>> LET ME GIVE YOU THE WORST ANSWER POSSIBLE.

IT DEPENDS. IT DEPENDS BECAUSE YOU CAN ADJUST YOUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT STANDARDS VERY MUCH LIKE A THERMOSTAT. YOU CAN TURN IT UP AND DOWN.

YOU CAN VARY IT BASED ON HOW MUCH A BUILDING CONTRIBUTES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IF IT'S NONCONTRIBUTING IT MIGHT TAKE A VERY LIGHT TOUCH. IF IT'S THE MOST ICONIC BUILDING IN YOUR DOWNTOWN, THAT MIGHT BE A BIT HEAVIER.

EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT ON THIS. SO THAT WOULD BE A FAIRLY INVOLVED CALIBRATION PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT.

>> THE POINT BEING THAT IT'S UP TO US? IT'S NOT SET AT THE STATE LEVEL TELLING US, IT IS A HISTORIC BUILDING AND YOU CANNOT TOUCH IT OR ANY OF THAT STUFF? WE DID ALSO A FEW YEARS BACK IMPLEMENT THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE, WHICH WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE IN BUILDING CODES, MEANING IT'S OVER 50 YEARS OLD, IT'S A DIFFERENT STANDARD. WE DID NOT HAVE THAT A COUPLE YEARS BACK EITHER WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THIS.

AND THAT IS IN PLAY NOW. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IN THIS ON THE STATE WILL COME IN AND SAY YOU CANNOT TOUCH IT.

IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US THROUGH DEFINED, IF I HEAR YOU'RE RIGHT, WHAT THOSE STANDARDS WOULD BE.

>> RIGHT. IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE TEXAS COMMISSION CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, THAT'S THE STANDARD TO THIS.

THAT IS PROCEDURE FOCUSED. IT RECOGNIZES THAT EVERY CITY IS GOING TO CHOOSE TO REGULATE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, DIFFERENT INTENSITIES. SO IT'S SET TO PROCEDURAL TYPES OF EXPECTATIONS. AND THOSE ARE SET FOR ANY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

AND WANT THEY WANT TO SEE HIS STANDARDS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT

PARTICIPATE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW ARE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS TONIGHT.

THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION FOR US TO ASK QUESTIONS.

WE DON'T NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNCILS FAR AS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WHETHER THAT IS A MAIN STREET CITY, DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR AN OVERLAY RIGHT NOW?

IS THAT CORRECT? >> IF YOU WANT TO YOU CAN GIVE US DIRECTION. BUT WE COME BACK AT THE WORK SESSION TO GET INTO THE WEEDS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO.

WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT. BUT IT'S UP TO THIS BODY.

WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. WE ARE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND TALK TO HOURS-- TALK FOR HOURS ABOUT PLANNING.

>> IF I HEAR YOU RIGHT, WE COULD KEEP THE OVERLAY, BUT WE CAN ALSO PURSUE BEING A MAIN STREET CITY? TOO. SO I THINK THE MAIN STREET CITY, I LIKE THAT, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE DO THAT, I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC.

I AM ASSUMING IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS A LITTLE LATER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD MEAN IT'S NOT IN THE UDC. CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND ON A CAVEAT, THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT I DID NOT ASK ON THE OCCURRENCE BEFORE THIS, BUT THERE ARE SOME SPECIFICS AROUND HAVING A LANDMARK ORDINANCE.

IT REQUIRES SPEAKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, STUFF LIKE THAT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THOSE DETAILS WILL LOOK LIKE, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF REGULATION. LIKE, CHANCE WAS TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THE LEGAL COUNCIL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT RIGHT NOW. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT

WITH LEGAL COUNCIL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS

SLIDE? >> ONE QUICK QUESTION.

CHANCE SAID IF THE DISTRICT-- OR OVERLAY IS NOT IN PLACE, THE ZONING IS NOT IN PLACE, THAT LIMITS THE CONTROL OF THE

BUILDING MATERIALS NOW? >> TWO DIFFERENT LAWS HAVE BEEN PASSED. THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THIS.

YOU HAVE THE CHANGE UNDER STATE LAW FOR PROCEDURES FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT'S NUMBER 1.

AND THEN THERE WAS WHAT HAS BECOME AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS THE BUILDING MATERIALS BILL. THEY WERE ONE SESSION A PART THE BUILDING MATERIALS BILL ESTABLISHED CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS WERE CITIES COULD REGULATE THAT. IT'S HISTORIC-- HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT WERE IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF THAT BILL PASSAGE.

WHICH MEANS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE ONE AFTER THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO STEP INTO THE BUILDING MATERIALS FACES.

>> BUT YOU COULD FIND THAT OVERLAY THAT WE HAD IN PLACE.

BECAUSE IT DID EXIST. THIS IS THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT?

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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT? JUST TO GIVE SYNOPSIS, WE WILL GATHER SOME MORE INFORMATION ON HISTORIC OVERLAY AND CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION, ABOUT MAIN STREET. AND YOU ARE COMFORTABLE BEING SEPARATED, THAT'S NOT GOING INTO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION.

>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

TO ME, THIS CONSULTANT WAS HIRED TO DO THE UDC REWRITE, HE WAS NOT HIRED FOR MAIN STREET. I WOULD PRESUME.

SO I'M NOT TRY WANT TO ADD THAT SCOPE, PERSONALLY.

THAT IS A PERSONAL THING FOR ME. I WANT SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

BUT I THINK IT'S A DECISION THAT RIGHT NOW-- I SUPPORT IT, FRANKLY, BUT WE HAVE A DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION GROUP, I LOVE WHAT'S HAPPENING. IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT NOW, OKAY. BUT WE DID NOT PUT IN THE BUDGET TO HAVE A DOWNTOWN MANAGER AT THIS POINT, I DON'T BELIEVE.

SO TO ME WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED RIGHT NOW ON THE CRITICAL PATH TO GETTING THE UDC DONE. PERSONALLY.

>> AND THOSE KEY POINTS, AS I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CONSULTANT ON THE HISTORIC OVERLAY WOULD BE PRESERVING MAIN STREET AND ROUNDABOUT TO FOREST, TO WE AGREE ON NOT?

>> IN FAIRNESS TO FOREST MAIN STREET, THE ROUNDABOUT TO FOREST-- WHILE SHE IS THINKING ABOUT IT, IN FAIRNESS TO FOREST, THE BUSINESS THEY ARE, HE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT STREET.

AND I KNOW THAT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM HE WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF DOWNTOWN. AND THAT DOWNTOWN EFFORT.

I THINK THEY HAVE PLANS THERE. THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.

WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS OR WHATEVER.

BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PATHS. HISTORIC DOWNTOWN GOES SLIGHTLY

PASSED THAT, TOWARDS THE CREEK. >> ANNOUNCED FOR CLARIFICATION, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? YOU SAID THAT SECTIONS GOING

TO-- >> IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OVERLAY, IS THE EXTENT OF THAT OVERLAY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT TO AROUND FOREST?

>> OR A DOWNTOWN DISTRICT OR WHATEVER.

>> THE FORMER COUNCIL. THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY TO WHAT WAS KNOWN AS MAIN STREET SOCIAL, WHICH IS THE EST FIRE STATION. THE REASON THAT COUNCIL INVESTED TAX DOLLARS TO TAKE THAT SIDEWALK THERE WAS BECAUSE I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE BOOK END OF DOWNTOWN.

AT THE TIME. THAT WAS BEFORE THE EST TOOK OVER. ALL THE WAY TO THE MAIN ROUNDABOUT. THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE

BIT. >> I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT.

I DO RECALL THAT, BUT ALSO THINKING THAT THE NEW LIBRARY IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST SOME DISCUSSION AT A LATER TIME, PROPERLY.

>> ANOTHER THOUGHT I WANT TO THROW OUT THERE IS IF WE ARE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT DOWN PASSED-- PAST-- IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, WE ARE LOOKING PAST THE ROUNDABOUT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE WANT TO GO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS NORMAL. I'M JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS TO THINK ABOUT THIS. AS WE HAVE HAD SOME THINGS CHANGE SINCE THAT LAST INVESTMENT.

AND I DO KNOW THAT FOREST, WE HAVE HEARD THAT FOREST COFFEE WANTS TO BE INVOLVED. SO INVOLVING THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE-- I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. BUT WE DID BUILD A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY. WE WILL HAVE A LIBRARY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. IT MAYBE A GOOD INVESTMENT.

>> CAN I SAY THAT NOWHERE WAS NOT INTENDED TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT STILL MAIN STREET. THIS IS HISTORIC MAIN STREET WITH HISTORIC BUILDINGS ON AT THE.

AND WAS HISTORICALLY WHAT MAIN STREET WAS.

AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AT THE TIME, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOU HAVE TO DEFEND WHERE YOUR HISTORIC MAIN STREET WAS WHEN WE WERE TALKING FOR DANIEL WHO IS ON THE DRC AT THE TIME WHO WORKS IN THE CAPITAL WITH HISTORIC ASPECTS OF THE CAPITAL. IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT ALL CALLED MAIN STREET, IT'S JUST THIS PORTION OF IT WOULD BE HISTORIC MAIN STREET.

WHICH TECHNICALLY HAS A DIFFERENT STANDARD.

IF YOU WANT TO EXTENDED ALL THE WAY AROUND, OKAY.

IT'S JUST THAT IT WAS INTENDED SPECIFICALLY TO PROTECT THOSE

OLDER BUILDINGS. >> I THINK IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

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IT'S 1869 TO THE ROUNDABOUT. >> I THINK THE INTENT, IN ADDITION, WHICH WEIGHT-- MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN PLAY ANYMORE, IN TERMS OF HAVING SOME ADDED CONTROLS OVER FACADES AND BUILDING MATERIALS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, WHATEVER WE DEFINE

THAT CORRIDOR AS. >> WOULD WE NOT THEN WANT TO

EXPAND-- >> WE DON'T HAVE THOSE CONTROLS.

>> I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK INTO.

AND I'M OKAY IF YOU WANT TO EXTENDED, I DON'T MIND IF YOU WANT TO EXTENDED. I WAS JUST TRYING TO NOT MAKE IT

THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN. >> THIS WILL BE A DEEPER CONVERSATION. STAFF APPEAR ARE SAYING WE ARE-- WE WANTED MORE BUT WE WILL NOT HANDLE IT TONIGHT.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT. I IMAGINE YOU WOULD ALL WANT TO

DO ANOTHER JOINT SESSION. >> WILL BRING BACK ANOTHER ITEM FOR WORK SESSION AND TALK ABOUT THAT ITEM SPECIFICALLY.

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. PERFECT.

LET US MOVE ON. >> HARD SHIFT.

I'M GOING TO BRING US BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FUTURE LANDING DESIGNATIONS WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALONG THE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS AT HIGHWAY 29, CREATING A SAFER CORRIDOR.

FIGURING OUT HOW PEDESTRIANS MOVE THROUGH THAT AREA, HAVING A SAFER CAR MOVEMENTS THROUGH THAT AREA.

AND ON THE LEFT SIDE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, IT TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL'S, YOUR MIXED-USE, YOUR VILLAGE.

GETTING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE OF COMMERCIAL.

AND HAVING TOWNHOMES AND SMALL PLEXUS.

THIS IS MEANT FOR THE CORRIDOR ITSELF.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE FULL EVERYTHING OFF OF 29, THIS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT ITSELF. SO CHASES GOING TO TALK ABOUT

THE CORRIDOR. >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH WHEN LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS IS TAKING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT SAID 50,000 THEN WE ARE BRINGING IT DOWN TO ABOUT 500 FEET.

SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TOWARDS WHAT THIS IS WE ARE HEARING CONFLICTING PERSPECTIVES ON 29. SO WE ARE GOING TO PUT PEN TO PAPER WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS.

AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN. BIG FINDINGS CAME THROUGH THIS EFFORT. THE EMPHASIS ON TRAFFIC FLOW ACCESS, MANAGEMENT, PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, COHESIVE DESIGN.

RESTAURANT ENTERTAINMENT. AND THE TERM PRACTICAL DEVELOP IT THAT REFLECTS THE LIBERTY HILL'S LOCAL CHARACTER.

BUT WE HEARD FROM WITH STAKEHOLDERS WAS REALLY THIS MARKET FEASIBILITY ISSUE. THE DESIGN DYNAMIC DOES GET CHANGE FOR POSSIBILITIES. RETROFITTING COSTS, PARKING EXPECTATIONS, AND HOW TO ADDRESS THE CORRECT APPROACH TO PEDESTRIAN STANDARDS WHEN YOU ARE ADJACENT TO A HIGHWAY.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW CAN YOU CREATE A BETTER GATEWAY TO PROVIDE PATHWAYS FOR MOVEMENT. SO WE LOOKED AT HOW YOU CAN STRENGTHEN LANDSCAPING AND CORRIDOR APPEARANCE WITH THIS.

HOW CAN YOU HAVE COHESIVE CONNECTIONS ACROSS SITES SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO POP OUT ON TO 292 GO 200 FEET AND POP BACK IN. HOW TO DO SOME THOUGHTFUL PEDESTRIAN CROSS ACCESS CONNECTIONS ALONG THE CORRIDOR BUT WITH INSIGHTS. HOW TO MANAGE HIGHER IMPACT USES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. TRYING TO STRIKE THIS CONCEPT OF WHAT WE WERE AFTER IN TERMS OF MIXED-USE BENEFITS, BUT ALSO WITH SOME MARKET PRESSURE THAT IS ACTIVE.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN LOOKING AT COVERAGE.

IT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.

WE'VE HAD ENGINEERS LOOK AT THE WATERSHED FOR THE LIBERTY HILL'S AREA TO IDENTIFY WATER APPROPRIATE PERCENTAGES TO PUT IN PLACE. SO WE HAVE WHAT WE STARTED WITH, AND WE DIALED THOSE UP MUCH FURTHER TO BE CLOSER TO WHAT YOU HAD TO. THERE ARE SOME WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF HELPING US CALIBRATE THEM.

ONE OF THOSE IS THE MIXED-USE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU HEARD REFERENCE TONIGHT. BUT WE ARE TAKING THAT STEADY INFORMATION FROM OUR ENGINEERS AND TURNING IT INTO RECOMMENDED DISTRICT STANDARDS. THESE STANDARDS ARE 100% A POLICY DECISION BY YOU, THE COUNCIL.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS UNDERSTOOD WITHIN THIS CONVERSATION. I WAS ASKED TO PULL A COUPLE

EXAMPLES OF THIS. >> OUR TWO FAVORITE SPOTS...

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> I WANT TO SAY, WE LOOKED AT SITE PLANS ON 29 AND AT THE COVER, SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE

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HIGHEST. >> MAYOR AMARJEET SOHI: COST.

NO ONE IS EXCEEDING THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE TODAY.

RECORD HOUSES ON THE LEFT. YOU CAN SEE THAT-- THERE IS VERY LIMITED LANDSCAPING AND WHATABURGER ON THE RIGHT.

THE ACREAGES A LITTLE DIFFERENT, THE SCALE WAS A LITTLE BIT SKEWED. BUT I WANTED TO GIVE A VISUAL EXAMPLE. SEPARATELY WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE AREA. IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SOME CITIES REGULATED SIMILARLY. GEORGETOWN.

OTHERS HAVE NO REGULATIONS ON THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS BUT THEY HAVE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, VET...

[INDISCERNIBLE] , NOT THAT THERE'S NO REGULATIONS. CEDAR PARK DID NOT MENTION IMPERVIOUS COVER, BUT IT'S CUT OUT-- A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING. IT'S COMPLETELY BUILT OUT FROM THE PARK, AND THE ELEMENTS THAT COME IN ARE OFTEN PARTS.

SO THE REASON I WOULD LIKE AT THAT TABLE MEANT CODE IS THAT IT'S TAILORED IN TO THOSE DOCUMENTS.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER? WE CAN GO ALL DAY IF YOU LIKE? THAT'S A JOKE.

WE WILL GO BACK TO STORMWATER. >> ALL RIGHT.

JUST TOUCHING A BIT ON THIS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.

WE HAVE SHIFTED TOWARDS ESSENTIALLY REFLECTING TCE CUES STANDARDS. A PATHWAY FOR THE CITY TO CONFIRM COMPLIANCE WITHOUT NECESSARILY CREATING EXTRA WORK THERE. THAT HAS OPTIONS FOR LOW-IMPACT DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES, AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT WE HAVE PLACED INTO THIS. WE ARE TRYING TO RESPOND TO WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE IN THAT CASE. TREES AND LANDSCAPING, WE HAVE A COORDINATED APPROACH THAT ADDRESSES BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

TREE PRESERVATION SHOULD SPEAK TO YOUR LANDSCAPING STANDARDS AND VICE VERSA. IF YOU HAVE EXISTING TREES ON SITE AND YOU WANT TO PRESERVE THOSE AND MAKE SURE THE LANDSCAPING THAT GOES WITH IT MAKES SENSE FOR BEING UNDER EXISTING TREES. THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S CONSOLIDATION WITH THIS. WE ADDED SOME OTHER LANGUAGE ALONG 29. SOME CLEARED TREE PRESERVATION BASELINES FOR MINIMUM PRESERVATION TARGETS.

AND A FEW TARGETED INCENTIVES FOR THIS.

FOR TREES THAT WOULD TYPICALLY QUALIFY AS A PROTECTED TREE BUT STILL HAVE VALUE. YOU MIGHT WANT THEM TO BE PRESERVED. THESE TREES GIVE CHARACTER IN MANY CASES. AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS, WORKING THROUGH REFINEMENT RIGHT NOW, WORKING THROUGH THE CITY COMMENTS THAT WAS MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

WORKING THROUGH SOME FINAL ALIGNMENT ON STANDARDS.

WORKING ON COORDINATION OF GRAPHICS.

WE LIKE TO DRAW GRAPHICS ONCE. SO WE WANT THE REGULATION TO BE STABLE BEFORE WE STEP UP TO THAT.

NEXT STEPS, HEADING TOWARDS MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE DISCUSSION DRAFT, MAYBE TOWARDS A PUBLIC DRAFT.

ALONG THE WAY. GETTING INTO SOME POLICY

DIRECTION FOR THE CITY. >> THANK YOU.

THESE ARE SOME SPECIFIC POLICY DIRECTIONS THAT WE ARE KIND OF TALKING A BIT ABOUT. THESE ARE TOPICS THAT HAVE COME OUT OR COME UP THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHICH DIRECTION WE ARE GOING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.

ALL GO THROUGH THE BULLET POINTS AND WE CAN DISCUSS, IF YOU'D LIKE MORE SPECIFIC CONVERSATION, AT A LATER DATE, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL. DRIVE-THROUGH'S AT 129.

PERMITTED ONCE ALLOWED, PROHIBITED MEANING THERE NOT ALLOWED AT ALL ON 29. CONDITION TO THE MOMENT OF SPECIFIC CRITERIA, FOR INSTANCE, YOU CAN SAY, TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CRITERIA WOULD BE, THAT YOUR SPEAKER BOX WOULD NOT BE FACING RESIDENTIAL. I THINK THAT'S EXISTING IN A CODE AS IT IS. YOU COULD SAY THEY HAVE TO BE SET BACK A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM 29.

YOU COULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO HAVE ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAYS.

THERE IS VARIOUS WAYS. WE DON'T NEED TO SIGN IT TODAY.

BUT IT'S FIGURING OUT IF YOU WANT THEM TO STILL BE ABLE TO EXIST WITH CONDITIONS, OR OTHERWISE.

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>> I THINK THEY SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL WITHOUT LEAD.

IF IT HAS NO FLOW OF TRAFFIC, OR IF IT'S A SPEAKER BOX, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO PUT A HARD NO ON A DRIVE-THROUGH.

THAT WOULD MEET-- WOULD BE MY TWO-CENTS.

>> JUST TOO COMPLICATED FURTHER, BECAUSE I DID NOT FULLY EXPLAIN, YOU CAN HAVE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD SAY IF THEY MEET THESE CONDITIONS IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT, SO THEY GO THROUGH THAT SITE CLAIMING PROCESS, OR YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH IS AN ADDED ZONING LAYER.

SO THAT WOULD MEAN IT GOES BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. THERE IS TWO FORKS IN THE ROAD

WITH THAT AS WELL. >> BUT THERE COULD BE BOTH OF THOSE, CORRECT? IT COULD BE CONDITIONAL MEANING IF YOU MEET THESE CONDITIONS YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. BUT I THINK IT'S OUR USE OF THE TERMS THAT SOMETIMES WORRIES PEOPLE.

IF WE CALL ON BOTH CONDITIONAL USE, THEN THOSE DEVELOPERS ARE USED TO THE TRADITIONAL TERM, CONDITIONAL USE MEANS I HAVE TO

GET A PERMIT. >> THERE IS THE DISTINCTION.

ESPECIALLY WITH PERMIT AND CONDITIONAL USES.

>> WE CALLED IT CONDITIONAL ON THOSE THINGS.

>> THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IT TODAY. I TRIED TO KEEP THE LANGUAGE CONSISTENT. IT'S COMMON TO HAVE A SPECIAL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. AND CONDITIONAL USES ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE ZONING CRITERIA.

YOU GET TO DO THAT. >> THAT WAS ONE THAT WE USE DIFFERENTLY, CLEARLY. OKAY.

WE WILL HAVE TO RELEARN SOME TERMS. I AM NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. I COULD SEE US BEING ABLE TO DO A BIT OF BOTH. PERSONALLY.

BUT, AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDS, BECAUSE WE HAVE A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE LAND OF THE THEY WANT THE LAND.

BUT WE ALSO GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC THAT SAYS THEY DON'T WANT TO KEEP SEEING ALL THESE THINGS OUT THERE. SO I CANNOT SAY THAT I WOULD WANT TO SUPPORT PERMITTING REGARDLESS, PERSONALLY.

>> THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DRIVE-THROUGH'S.

YOU HAVE A BANK, YOU HAVE A CHICK-FIL-A, HE PTAS.

TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER DRIVE-THROUGH'S.

THEY ARE NOT ALL THE SAME. SOME OF THEM HAVE HIGHER INTENSE USES ADDRESS THROUGH TIA AND TRAFFIC IMPACT, AND FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE THEY ARE ALL DRIVE-THROUGH'S.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE WOULD LOOK AT IN THAT CONDITIONAL

PROCESS. >> WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO

ADDRESS WITH THIS QUESTION? >> IT HAS TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC

FLOWING ON 29, IN MY OPINION. >> IS AT THE ACCESS? THE BEHIND ACCESS? SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN

AND OUT, IN AND OUT? >> THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WE WOULD BE PUT IN CONDITIONAL FOR CONDITIONAL

CRITERIA. >> IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT, GO TO THE CHICK-FIL-A ON 620 AND WRINKLY.

>> I CAN TELL YOU ALL THE DRIVE-THROUGH'S I DON'T LIKE.

BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH ITSELF.

>> YOUR DEFINITION OF CONDITIONAL, NOT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT CONDITIONAL USE-- HAVING CONDITIONS AND IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA IT'S PERMIT-- PERMANENT.

>> YES, SIR. >> YOU DON'T WANT A DRIVE-THROUGH TO GO THREE PNC COMMISSION? YOU WOULD CONSIDER A GENERAL STANDARD OF SAFETY, EVERYTHING YOU WANT, IF THERE IS-- DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?

>> THAT WOULD BE THE CONDITIONS. >> THAT'S US VOTING ON THE TERM CONDITIONAL USE. BUT THEN IT'S SPECIAL USE.

WOULD WE NOT WANT TO ALLOW THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING WOULD NEED-- COULD HAVE A SPECIAL USE AND GIVE THAT AVENUE THAT COULD COME THROUGH IF IT DID NOT MEET OUR NEWLY DEFINED TERM

CONDITIONAL USE? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE CONDITIONAL, AND IF YOU DON'T MEET THE CONDITIONS YOU GO THROUGH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND IT GOES THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS AND THERE IS NO PATH FORWARD.

>> I'M SEEING HEAD MOVES. ARE WE GOOD TO MOVE TO THE NEXT BULLET POINT? THANK YOU.

PARKING MINIMUMS. WE ARE USED TO MINIMUMS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS MANY PARKING SPACES ARE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE USES. MAXIMUMS ARE NOT CURRENTLY CONTEMPLATED IN THE CODE. OFTEN THE MAXIMUMS, IT'S NOT

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SOME BANKS HAVE TO UTILIZE THIS FOR PURPOSES OF OVER PARKING.

THEY PROVIDE DATA AND SAY THIS IS HOW MANY CUSTOMERS WE HAVE.

AND IT'S AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED. IT WORKS THE SAME.

THE ONLY ADDITION TO THAT IS THAT IT DOESN'T INCREASE AT LANDSCAPING. SO YOUR PARKING LOT CAN HAVE MORE COVERAGE BECAUSE IT'S SO HOT IN TEXAS.

>> I FIND IT INTERESTING. I KNOW WE DID A SCOTT-- A STOPGAP WHEN YOU AND I WERE ON THE COMMISSION BEFORE.

WE DID A STOPGAP ON THE PARKING. AND THERE WERE MINIMUMS. AND WE GOT PUSHBACK ON THERE BEING SUCH HIGH MINIMUMS. AND I NOTICED NOW THAT WE ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT IT AND LOWER THE MINIMUMS AND THIS MAXIMUM IS LIKE WEIGHT WE WANT MORE.

SO I FOUND THAT INTERESTING. BECAUSE WE HAD A FULL DISCUSSION BACK THEN ABOUT WILL THEY NEED TO BE BIGGER BECAUSE WE ARE IN TEXAS, WE HAVE TRUCKS. WE HAVE THAT WHOLE GAMBIT OF DISCUSSION ON PLANNING AND ZONING.

SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT TO ME, I THINK YOU ALMOST HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH PERSONALLY. AGAIN, I'M NOT ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALKED DOWNTOWN WE CAN'T SIT THERE AND SAY YOU ARE BUILDING DOWNTOWN AND NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING.

THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. >> I WILL SAY IT'S A BIT DIFFERENT IN THOSE DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS, WHERE WE ARE LEANING TOWARDS MORE PARKING-- NO PARKING STANDARDS SO THOSE PROPERTIES CAN DEVELOP A BIT FASTER.

USUALLY IT'S ONE OR TWO SPACES THAT IS REQUIRED.

>> IS THIS BULLET POINT ALSO HIGHLIGHTING WHERE THE PARKING IS? LIKE WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC EARLIER? OR IS THAT A SEPARATE POINT WE

WILL DISCUSS AT A LATER TIME? >> I DON'T RECALL WHERE THE PARKING IS LOCATED THE QUESTION HERE IS NOT FOR-- FOR 29.

I BELIEVE THE CORRIDOR IS PLANNING TO HAVE THAT TEASER PARKING. IT'S MORE THINKING OF THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT COMPLETELY FRONTING ON 29, WHERE YOU HAVE THE BUILDING TUCKED BACK, WITH ALL THE PARKING IN FRONT.

SO RETAIL IS CORRECT, THE TEASER PARKING IS REQUIRED.

BUT THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO THE DRAFT DOCUMENTS THAT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE CAN HAVE ACCESS SO THEY CAN USE THOSE BUILDING

FACADES. >> GOTCHA.

>> IT'S IN THE MODULE, BUT IT'S NOT LISTED AS A BULLET POINT.

>> WE CAN DO THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

I THINK THAT'S FINE. >> NOT SAYING WE NEED TO, WAS STAFF PLANNING ON BRINGING THAT BACK TO US KNOWING THIS IS A CONCERN SO WE CAN WAIT? OR DO WE ADDRESS IT NOW IS WHAT

I'M ASKING? >> I THINK IT IS A BULLET POINT I FORGOT. SO I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT NOW IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PARKING.

>> THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION, I GUESS?

>> YES. I MEAN, I OBVIOUSLY AM NOT THE-- I'VE BEEN AT DEVELOPER ROUNDTABLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF WERE HEARING FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE MENTIONING IT TONIGHT. IT'S LIKE WHEN THE FLOCK CAMERAS WERE MENTIONED. ENOUGH PEOPLE SPEAK UP AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO I'M WONDERING HOW THAT FEEDBACK IS BEING ACTION IN HOW WE TAKE IT IN TO ACCOUNT.

I RECOGNIZE ALSO THAT THIS ROUNDTABLE OCCURRED LIKE LAST WEEK. SO I DON'T EXPECT AN OVERNIGHT FIX. BUT A NEW PROCESS AT LEAST.

>> I CAN TOUCH ON THAT IT'S A MODULE THAT HASN'T BEEN DELIVERED, BUT I WAS DRAFTED ON 29 CORRIDOR.

THERE IS A PATHWAY WHERE YOU CAN HAVE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. YOU JUST HAVE TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD FOR A VENTURE IF YOU'RE DOING LESS PARKING IN FRONT THAN THERE IS LESSER OF A LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT. SO THAT PROVIDES THAT FLEXIBILITY. AT LEAST IN OUR MOST RECENT

DRAFT. >> THIS GOES BACK TO WHEN THE COMP PLAN WAS DONE AND BOULEVARD REDEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE 29 REPORT... IT IS INTENDED TO MAKE SURE THAT 29 THAT IS COMING THROUGH OUR CITY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE FRONTAGE

ROAD INTERSTATE. >> AND MY ONLY CONCERN IS THEN

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ALL THOSE BUSINESSES, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO PUT PARKING LOTS IN THE BACK? AND IF NOT, WE WILL HAVE SOME SHIFTED IN THE BACK, SOME SHIFTED IN THE FRONT.

SO HOW WILL THAT LOOK? >> I THINK THAT IS THE CONFUSION OVER THE TERM "REDEVELOPED." , AS MENTIONED IN THIS 29 REPORT. WE MIGHT HAVE TO REBRANDED, BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPING

BUSINESSES, AND WE ARE NOT. >> THAT MEANS ONLY THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW WILL NEED TO MEET THE STANDARDS THAT WE ARE DESIGNING RIGHT NOW IN THE UDC.

>> CORRECT. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

BUT THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT NONCONFORMING PART OF THE DEVELOPER AND CODE AS WELL. SO IF THESE PROPERTIES WANT TO CHANGE USES, IF THEY HAVE TO RENOVATE THEIR BUILDING AND THEY EXCEED THAT 50% THRESHOLD EVALUATION, THEN YOU START

HAVING TO BRING IN PERMIT CODE. >> IF A BUSINESS RIGHT NOW ENDED UP SELLING TO A DIFFERENT BUSINESS, THEN THAT NEW BUSINESS

WHO IS PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY. >> NO.

>> IT'S ONLY FOR FREE LAND THAT HAS NOTHING ON IT.

>> IT DEPENDS IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE OR MODIFY THE BUILDING.

IT'S NOT JUST A NO. IT'S A POSSIBILITY TO EXPAND THE BUILDING. AND THAT EXPANSION IS MORE THAN 50%. IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.

BUT IT'S MORE THAN 50% VALUATION.

THAT'S ALL PART OF THE LAW. THAT IS WHAT TRIGGERS THAT.

THOSE UPGRADES THAT TAKE PLACE. THERE IS OBVIOUSLY ACCOMMODATIONS. IF YOUR BUILDING IS WHERE THE TREES WOULD GO, THEN THOSE WOULD GO THROUGH YOUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR PROCESS. THERE IS STILL A PATH FORWARD IF IT CANNOT BE MET. YES?

>> I WAS JUST WONDERING. A BUSINESS IN PLACE THAT WANTS TO GROW, THEN. AND THEY WANT TO EXPAND AND THEY WANT TO BUILD, YOU ARE SAYING THEY BUILD OUT MORE THAN 50% FROM WHERE THEY ARE THAN THEY WILL HAVE TO SHIFT THEIR WHOLE

PROPERTY TO MEET THE STANDARDS? >> IT WOULD LIKELY--

>> I CAN HELP OUT. THE NONCONFORMITY OF LANGUAGE CAN BE STRUCTURED IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT IS THEY ARE EXPANDING.

ARE THEY INCREASING THE DEGREE OF NONCONFORMITY? ARE THEY TAKING THE SITUATION AND MAKING IT WORSE? IS IT STAYING THE SAME? HOW MUCH IS THE INVESTMENT? AND DEPENDING ON THE POLICY DECISIONS, YOU CAN SET THE THRESHOLD FROM WHICH YOU HAVE NOW DONE THIS MUCH TO YOUR PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO START MAKING ADJUSTMENTS.

IF YOU HAD SAID THAT IT VARIES-- DEPENDING ON THE STANDARD,-- OKAY. YOU GET TO TEAR DOWN THE WHOLE THING. SCRAPED THE SITE AND START OVER.

MOST OF THESE WILL NOT BE SUPER COMFORTABLE WITH THAT KIND OF APPROACH. SO YOU SAY ARE THERE INCREMENTAL STANDARDS TO PUT IN PLACE WHERE IF YOU ARE EXPANDING TO THIS POINT YOU NEED TO TAKE THESE ADDITIONAL ACTIONS.

IT MIGHT BE ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE IN THE PARKING LOT FOR EXAMPLE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT IS AN IN BETWEEN OPTION.

>> I LOVE THE PRETTY PICTURES AND I'M ALL FOR BEAUTIFYING 29.

BELIEVE ME. WE HAVE AUTO DISTRICTS AND STORAGE UNITS. I GET THAT.

MY CONCERNS ARE ABOUT HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE BUSINESSES.

MOST OF THAT IS DEVELOPED. WE TALK ABOUT 25 FEET IN AND ALL THESE NEW POLICIES THAT WE WILL PUT IN PLACE.

I WANT TO KNOW THE IMPACT. THE PICTURES LOOK GREAT.

AND THE IDEA LOOKS GOOD, BUT IF THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE HEAVY BURDEN ON THIS COMMUNITY OR ON THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE, OR THE PEOPLE THAT EVEN WANT TO COME AND PARTICIPATE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE WORK IN MORE CREATIVE WAYS.

TO BEAUTIFYING 29. AND DESIGN KIND OF WHAT WE WANT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO IN SUCH A DIRECTION OF THAT.

WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. THE OTHER REASON WHY IS IF THE INTENT IS FOR TO LOOK BEAUTIFUL DOWN WHERE THEY ARE KIND OF THE SAME, I WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT IS GOING TO BE POSSIBLE IF MOST IS DEVELOPED. I'VE LOOKED AT THE MAP.

LITTLE PIECES OF EMPTY PROPERTY. VERY SMALL IN COMPARISON TO HOW MUCH CAN BE DEVELOPED. SO I AM NOT SURE IF WE CAN ATTAIN WHAT THE PICTURES ARE SHOWING.

AND I DON'T WANT TO BRING A FALSE IDEA OUT.

THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTAIN.

BECAUSE WERE ALL SAYING WE WANT THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE POLICIES IN PLACE FOR THAT. BUT BECAUSE WE ARE SO DEVELOPED ALREADY WE HAVE FEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS HERE AND THERE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT THE

COMMUNITY SEES. >> PLANNING IS INCREMENTAL

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THIS IS ALL GOOD FEEDBACK. I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PRESERVING SOME OF THESE THINGS SO IT IS NOT A BURDEN FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY WERE TO SELL AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT WE ACCOMMODATE FOR SOME CREATIVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOW WE PRESERVE THE CORRIDOR AND NOT-- IN MY HEARING THAT CORRECTLY?

>> I WANT TO SAY THERE IS A ASSET CALLED LEGAL NONCONFORMING. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WERE GOING TO SAY BY THE WAY WERE REDRAWING THIS AND WERE GOING TO TEAR YOU ALL DOWN AND REDO THIS. THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.

SO I DO KNOW THAT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PRETTY PICTURES, DOING THE KOPP PLAN, THE CONSULTANT GRABBED A PICTURE THAT WAS IDEALISTIC AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT WHAT WHITESTONE BOULEVARD DID OVER TIME, WHICH WAS MORE REALISTIC.

SO WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR HOW WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT, AND I THINK THAT WOULD HELP ASK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.

AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT POLICIES AND THESE KINDS OF CODES AND ALL OF THAT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK FIVE STEPS AHEAD AND SAY HOW WE IMPLEMENTED. AND THAT'S OVERHEARING, SOME OF THE MANAGEMENT CONCERNS ABOUT HOW DOES IMPLEMENTATION PROCEED.

>> ONE THING I WANT TO BRING UP, MY CONCERN, THE EXPECTATION OF THE COMMUNITY. THEY SEE A PICTURE, AND WE PUT POLICIES IN PLACE FOR THAT PICTURE THAT THEY SEE, AND THEN THEY START THE PLANNING PROCESS, WE CAN'T TELL THESE BUSINESSES TO GO AND CHANGE THEIR BUSINESS. THE ONES THAT EXIST WE CANNOT.

THE NEW ONES COMING IN, WE CANNOT.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DELIVER ON THE PICTURE AND THE EXPECTATION OF THE COMMUNITY? THE EXPECTATION OVER A COURSE OF TIME, I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

OVER A COURSE OF TIME, IF THAT DOES NOT SHOW UP, THEN WE LOOK LIKE THE ONES THAT DECEIVED OR LIED OR GAVE EXPECTATIONS THAT WAS UNATTAINABLE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ARE GIVING THIS EXPECTATION TO THE COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE VOTING POLICIES INTO PLACE WITHOUT THAT OUR STAFF AND CONSULTANTS ARE SAYING WE CANNOT DELIVER WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME, AND THIS IS HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT SO I KNOW MY COMMUNITY IS GOING TO SAY I CAN SPEAK TO THEM WITH CONFIDENCE TO SAY YES, WE GOT IT.

BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW I'M NOT FEELING THAT COMPETENCE IN THAT.

IF THAT IS KIND OF ONE OF MY CONCERNS.

TO MAKE SURE WE CAN MEET THE EXPECTATIONS BASED ON WHAT THEY

HAVE SEEN. >> THE PICTURE HAS BEEN OUT THERE IN THE COMP PLAN AS PART OF THE CHALLENGE.

AND THIS IS WHY THIS CONSULTANT HAS SAID WE NEED TO REBRAND THE TERM "REDEVELOPMENT." AT THAT TIME WE WERE DEALING WITH THE CONSULTANT THAT WAS THE QUICKEST THING.

AND THEY COULD GET IN AND TOSS THAT IN AT THE TIME.

BUT I DO THINK, I AGREE. I JUST THINK THAT I WANT TO KNOW HOW DO WE REBRAND IT. SO THEY DON'T THINK WHEN WE SAY BOULEVARD REDEVELOPMENT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPING ALL THE BUSINESSES. AS A CONSULTANT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, IF YOU THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS THE BRANDING, HOW DO WE FIX IT, IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, FOR THE SOLUTION PART IN

THAT 29 REPORT. >> THE DEAL WAS NEVER TO REDEVELOP IN ANY PERIOD OF TIME. THE IDEA WAS THAT OVER TIME, AS THE BYPASS CAME IN, TRAFFIC CAME OFF OF 29, AND WE IMPLEMENTED BETTER CODE, THAT WE COULD DIRECT THAT SECTION OF 29 TO BE MORE OF A BOULEVARD AND LESS OF A HIGHWAY.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE WITH THE PICTURE.

>> THAT IS IF THE COUNTY FINISHES.

>> IF THE COUNTY FINISHES, WHETHER OR NOT-- THAT'S ABOUT WHETHER 29 IS TURNED OVER TO THE PLANT OR-- THERE IS A LOT OF IT.

I'M JUST SAYING, THE IDEA WAS WE HAVE A BYPASS.

I DON'T KNOW VERY MANY PEOPLE THAT LIKE THE TRAFFIC ON 29, THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON 29, THE BROKEN CONNECTIVITY.

THE OVERABUNDANCE OF DRIVEWAYS, THE OVERABUNDANCE OF SIGNS.

AND LACK OF SIDEWALKS IN ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS. AND THE IDEA WAS HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE SIMILAR TO WHITESTONE-- NOT USING WHITESTONE AS THE MODEL, MORE SIMILAR TO SOMETHING THAT IS DIVIDED, SOMETHING THAT HAS SIDEWALKS. SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T MIND BEING IN THERE. IT'S A 20 OR 30-YEAR PROCESS.

YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GET SOME SIGNIFICANT SEMBLANCE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IF I HAD TO GUESS.

>> MAY I ASK A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THE SAME THING.

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THE PARKING CANNOT BE THERE, IS JUST THAT THERE IS A SCREENING REQUIREMENT FOR TREES THAT WOULD BE ADDED.

AT SUCH TIME THAT THE PROPERTY DID HIT THAT THRESHOLD AND THAT

50%. >> HOW CAN WE ACHIEVE THE INTENT

OF IT NOT LOOKING LIKE. >> I CAN BRING BACK SPECIFICS, WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING THIS.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I AM JUST SHARING A FEW OF MY CONCERNS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WILL NOT FORGET.

BECAUSE ANSWER TO CONSTITUENTS AND THEIR EXPECTATIONS.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE REALISTIC.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> I THINK WE WANT TO GET THESE TEXAS PALM TREES OUT OF THE PICTURE.

I THINK IT IS GOOD. THE PARKING, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE IT AWAY.

IT MIGHT DEPEND ON THE BUSINESS. PICK ONE.

AND SOME BUSINESSES WHO NEED A LOT, SOME BUSINESSES DON'T NEED ANY. SO YOU NEED TO ASK PEOPLE.

>> WE WILL BE READY TO DISCUSS IT AGAIN.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I KNOW WE HAVE THIS PART-- IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO.

ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAYS. THESE ARE LOCATED OUR LANGUAGE ORDINANCE. THEY CANNOT BE LOCATED WITHIN

1000 FEET FROM ONE ANOTHER. >> I WILL SAY THAT BACK IN 2024, IN THE FALL WE HAD A STOPGAP ORDINANCE TO PUT SOME OF THE EMTS IN THE SIDE ORDINANCE. BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF IT. AND THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME DECIDED TO PUSH IT DOWN TO THE UDC REWRITE.

SO THERE WERE SOME DRAFTS AND-- DRAFTS DONE BACK THEN.

AND AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER PRESENTATION, THE EFT THING ALONG 29 IS MORE OF A HAZARD. AND IT WAS CONSIDERED THAT LONG BEFORE THE LANDING ORDINANCE WAS EVER DONE.

IT WAS CONSIDERED THAT, AND THE CITY DID NOT ALLOW IT FOR THOSE REASONS. IT WAS NOT JUST CONSIDERED THE-- DISTRACTING TO DRIVERS, BUT ALSO TO LOOK AT.

SO AT THE TIME THERE WAS ONE IN THE SIDE ORDINANCE.

WE DEBATED, WHEN I WAS ON COMMISSION.

WE DEBATED WILL AGO IN THE SIGN, THE LIGHTING.

WE ARE PUTTING IT IN THE SIGN BECAUSE IT ADDRESSED WHERE THEY WERE AND WERE NOT ALLOWED. SO THAT'S WHY AT THE TIME WE HAD PROPOSED AND IT PASSED THROUGH THE COMMISSION, COUNCIL AT THE TIME DELAYED IT. FOR THE UDC REWRITE.

>> THE ORDINANCE THAT EXISTS IS THE THOUSAND FOOT RULE.

CURIOUS IF IT SHOULD BE SIMILAR, OR IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS,

WERE HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK. >> A LOT OF THESE I FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE WE ARE BEING ASKED IN A BLIND WAY WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT JUST 2 OUT OF THE BLUE GIVE YOU A STANCE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE EXPERTS TELLING US THAT THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND.

>> THESE ARE QUESTIONS I GET DAILY.

I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT WHETHER WE HAVE EMTS. THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DATE AND WE ALLOW THEM WITHIN THAT THOUSAND FOOT.

IT IS A CONVERSATION WE HAVE, BECAUSE IT'S EXISTING WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED. AND WHEN THE ORDINANCE-- THAT WHEN THOSE SIGNS WERE EXISTING THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO CHANGE THE SIGNS AND MODIFY THEM. SO IT'S A CONVERSATION WE HAVE REGULARLY. BUT THE ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE.

>> I THINK WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS PUT IN PLACE, THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE IN AUGUST 2022 THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT DID NOT ALLOW EMTS. ONLY TWO.

BECAUSE THOSE WERE ILLEGAL ASSET BECAUSE THEY EXISTED.

SO AT THAT TIME THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED.

AND IN SOME OTHER CODE CLEANUP IT GOT WIPED OUT.

SO I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO SIT THERE AND SAY IT WAS ALLOWED.

BECAUSE WE HAD A DISCUSSION-- A DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION.

WITH THE PLANNING STAFF AT THE TIME WHEN WE WERE CHANGING THE SIGN ORGAN-- ORDINANCE DO NOT ALLOW COSINES AND DO MONUMENT

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STAFF AT THE TIME SAID NO WE DO NOT.

BECAUSE THEY ARE IN ANOTHER ORDINANCE.

AND THAT ORDINANCE WENT AWAY. WITHOUT COMING BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING. SO THERE IS A LITTLE SORE SPOT THERE ON THIS THING. BECAUSE WE WERE MISGUIDED ON THAT. AND STEVE WAS THERE AT THE TIME AS WELL. IT WAS NEVER AN EFFECT.

WHEN YOU SAID BILLBOARDS I THOUGHT WE PUT WHERE WE CANNOT HAVE FULL SIGNS. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE ASKING IF THEY ARE PERMITTED IF WE HAVE SAID THE EXISTING CODE

DID NOT ALLOW FULL SIGNS. >> OUR BILLBOARDS AND PULL SIGNS

TREATED THE SAME? >> THANK YOU.

BILLBOARDS OR OUTDOOR ADVERTISING IS USUALLY BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE SIGN. INCLUDING THE TOTAL SIZE AS WELL AS THE HEIGHT. SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE-- IF YOU'RE GOING TO REGULATE THEM IT'S GOOD TO REGULATE THEM, AND IF YOU SAY NO PULL SIGNS, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD INCLUDE MOST IF NOT ALL BILLBOARDS. BUT IT IS BETTER IF YOU'RE GOING TO-- TO REGULATE THEM TO DO IT THROUGH HEIGHT AND SIZE.

>> THE INTENT WHEN THE POLE SIGN ORDINANCE WAS DISCUSSED AND PUT IN TO PLACE WAS TO ELIMINATE-- TO NOT ALLOW BILLBOARD.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >> THAT WAS OUR DISCUSSION BACK THEN. AND WE SAID NO.

YOU DON'T NEED TO. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.

I DON'T THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS-- I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS LAST POINT, UNLESS YOU AGREE.

SO MEASURE FOUR WOULD BE ANTICIPATING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN OCTOBER. THAT'S DISCUSSED ABOUT THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS TODAY AND HOW THERE IMPACTED BY THE FUTURE ZONING DISTRICTS PURCHASE THE TRANSLATION OF THOSE WOULD BE ON THE WEBSITE SO THAT RESIDENTS CAN SEE THAT.

PRIMARILY THESE AREAS ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THIS MAP.

DOWNTOWN WILL HAVE A SIMILAR IMPACT, AS WELL AS THE 21 CORRIDOR OF THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH. WE ANTICIPATE CONTACTING EVERY RESIDENT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS SO WE CAN INVITE THEM TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH US AND ASK QUESTIONS.

AND WE WILL DO THAT THROUGHOUT PROBABLY A WEEK OR TWO.

ALLOWING VIRTUALLY AND IN PERSON.

AND IN THAT PUBLIC DRAFT IT WILL BE LIVE FOR APPROXIMATE THE A MONTH MAYBE LONGER. AND IT WILL LEAN INTO THE WORK SESSIONS WE WILL HAVE WITH OUR COMMUNITIES AND DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PNC. AND ALSO THE WORKSHOP WITH CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ACTION AT THIS MEETING. WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION IN THE PROCESS. AND WE ANTICIPATE GOING THROUGH THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ADOPTION PROCESSES IN FEBRUARY.

THERE WILL LIKELY BE ADDED ENGAGEMENT TO EVENTS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS. JUST KIND OF PIVOTING AS

QUESTIONS COME UP. >> THANK YOU.

CAN I JUST SAY, AND YOU ARE ON ADVISORY IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE STILL GOING TO GO WITH A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL AND WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE FLOWCHARTS AND THINGS ONCE WE GET THROUGH A LOT OF THIS TO MAKE IT EASIER.

WE ARE JUST NOT PUTTING THEM IN RIGHT NOW TO THE DIAGRAMS AND STUFF TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND MAKE IT SO

DIFFICULT. >> THE DOCUMENTS IN DRAFTER IMAGE SPACES. THE IMAGES ARE NOT IN DRAFT BECAUSE THE CODE WOULD AFFECT WITH THE IMAGE LOOKS LIKE.

SO ONCE WE HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IT WOULD REPEAT.

>> TO SOME QUESTIONS I WROTE WHEN I WAS READING ABOUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. SOME OF THE STUFF-- SOME OF THE STUFF YOU GUYS ARE ASKING, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING. IT'S NOT EASY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FEEDBACK YOU ARE GETTING FROM DEVELOPERS, SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CODE, WHAT IS-- WHAT ARE THEY NOT HAPPY WITH.

I'D LOVE TO SEE THE FEEDBACK. A NUMBER 2, WHEN YOU GET THAT FEEDBACK, HAD READJUSTED ANYTHING ON THERE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK, AND WHAT DID WE ADJUST? IF WE CAN HAVE IT, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE PROGRESS OF THAT.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE FEEDBACK.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT AN EASY PROCESS.

BECAUSE THERE IS CODE THAT YOU HAVE TO INFLUENCE.

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WITH RESPECT TO WHAT IT CAN DO. SO THERE IS A HODGEPODGE OF TRYING TO GET THAT TO WORK. I APPRECIATE THE ACT-- EFFORT.

IF YOU GET US THAT, AND I THINK YOU KIND OF ANSWERED IN A WAY.

BECAUSE YOU DID SAY THERE ARE SOME WAYS TO ADJUST THIS.

BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THE MARKETPLACE DRIVES IT.

THE MARKET, WHAT THE DEVELOPERS WANT, WHAT LOT DEVELOPERS WANT.

THEY ARE GOING TO SAY YES OR NO TO IT.

SO THERE IS A THEORETICAL ABOUT WERE TRYING TO GET AT.

AND THEN THERE IS A PRACTICAL. BUT YOU DID SAY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BUILD US IN THE CODE.

TO ADD ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE POSSIBLE AND STILL-- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS, NOT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, BUT ADJUST FOR THEM AND MAKE A PRECEDENT, THAT'S NOT A PRECEDENT.

BUT THE ADJUSTMENTS MAKE SENSE, AND IT DOES HURT THE OVERALL VISION. SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT. AT LEAST TO ME AND THE PEOPLE WE TALKED TO. AND-- THAT'S ABOUT IT.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE FEEDBACK.

AND I'M SURE COUNCIL WOLVES-- WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE FEEDBACK.

SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE COMPLAINTS ARE ABOUT.

IT CAN'T BE EVERYTHING. IF IT'S EVERYTHING WE HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT THERE IS PARKING, TREES, ROADWAYS, WHATEVER. I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT.

>> THIS IS YOUR DOCUMENT. IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.

WHEN WE START HEARING FEEDBACK, WHEN SOMETHING IS ROUTINELY NOT WORKING, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S A VERY LARGE DOCUMENT.

I WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THESE CONVERSATIONS BACK TO YOU TO HAVE THEM WITH YOU SO WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION TOGETHER.

AND MAKE THEM TAILORED TO A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION.

>> THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE. LET ME JUST CLARIFY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID, WHAT THEY DEVELOPERS WANT AND THE MARKET BEARS, WE STILL HAVE THIS COUNCIL BOUNCING THAT BETWEEN WHAT OUR RESIDENTS WANT AND WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS WANT.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPOKEN THROUGH THAT COMPLEX PLAN TOO.

AND JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HERE, AND THEY ARE GIVING US THE VISION AND THE COMP PLAN, THE UDC.

YOU HAVE TO ADJUST WHEN YOU GET INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION, BUT WE CAN'T FORGET THE FACT THAT-- FOR ME I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BALANCE THAT. BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF REAL ESTATE.

I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A CONCRETE JUNGLE LIKE DALLAS OR AUSTIN.

THOSE ARE THINGS I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT.

SO WE HAVE TO BALANCE THAT AS WELL.

WE ARE A VERY UNIQUE CITY. WE ARE ONLY FIVE SQUARE MILES.

AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BALANCE THOSE THINGS AND NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THAT EITHER. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD

ENCOURAGE US TO DO. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION SINCE I HAVE EVERYBODY HERE.

THIS HAS BEEN ON MY MIND A LOT ABOUT AS A CITY, WHERE WE ARE AT. AND THIS COUNCIL HAS A TALL ORDER AHEAD OF THEM TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

SO WE GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

AND INSTEAD OF PLAYING PING-PONG, GOING BACK-AND-FORTH, BACK-AND-FORTH, I WILL MAKE A SUGGESTION.

AND MY SUGGESTION WILL BE THAT I THINK THAT FOR US ALL TO GET THE SAME INFORMATION, TO SIT DOWN WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS COMMUNITY, ALONGSIDE THIS COUNCIL, THE PNC, AND WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF CONTRACTORS AND HELPERS-- DEVELOPERS THAT ALREADY OWN PROPERTY. THEY PROVEN THEMSELVES TO DO WELL. THEY PUT MONEY BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY. THEY LIVE HERE.

I AM GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH ALL OF US, AND THAT IT BE PUBLIC.

AND THAT WE GO THROUGH WITH IT. WHAT WILL THAT HURT FOR US TO HEAR ALTOGETHER. WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS IN THE UDC, AND WHAT WAS IT? HOW COULD THE MARKET NONSUPPORT THAT? IF THE MARKET WILL NOT SUPPORT IT, THEN MY CONCERN IS IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, IF WE THROW OUT THE CONCEPT AND THE COMMUNITIES CANNOT SUPPORT THE CONCEPT, IS THERE A MIDDLE GROUND, OR IS THERE DATA TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THAT WE MIGHT-- YOU KNOW-- I MEAN, MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS ON. I GUESS.

AND THE BEST WAY THAT I FEEL THAT WE CAN DO THAT IS TO PUT IT ALL OUT ON THE TABLE. AT EVERYBODY WITH THE SAME INFORMATION. IT'S ALL ABOUT INFORMATION.

THERE IS NO DECISION-MAKING. BUT EVERYONE GETS THE SAME INFORMATION ABOUT THE SAME ISSUES.

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WE CAN JUST HASH IT OUT ALTOGETHER.

>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO IT LINE BY LINE THROUGH EVERYTHING. WE GET AN AGREEMENT AND IGNORE IT. BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE

DISCUSSED. >> I WOULD ASK THAT WE LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO OUR CURRENT CONTRACT AND THE CONSULTANT METHODOLOGY AND CONSULT THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

CHANGING SOME OF THAT NOW IN TERMS OF METHODOLOGY.

I'D LIKE TO GIVE STAFF A CHANCE TO GET THEM TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND IS IT APPROPRIATE TO DO IT NOW, ARE WAY TO GET TO THE NEXT MODULAR AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.

IS A ADAM MODULE, THEY WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND CORRECT OTHER MODULES. SO I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OF IT, WHEN IT WOULD BE BEST TO DO, IF IT'S BETTER TO DO IT NOVEMBER WHEN THE PUBLIC TO APPEAR IN COMES OPEN, AND WE CAN STILL ADJUST IT? I HAVE PEOPLE GOING, "WHERE IS ARTICLE NINE." I'M LIKE IT'S NOT THERE YET.

>> EXPLAINED TO ME IF WE AGREE ON SOMETHING IN MODULE THREE ETIQUETTES TO MODULE FOUR, AND WE WANT TO CHANGE IT, NOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO MODULE THREE AND CHANGE IT.

FOR ME THAT'S MORE MONEY AND MORE TIME WITH A CONSULTANT.

WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST ADDRESS IT IN MODULE THREE?

>> SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO KEEP THINGS IN SYNC, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MAKE THAT DISTINCTION, ONE IS ADMINISTRATIVE KIND OF STUFF.

SO I'M JUST SAYING FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE TOTAL IMPACT OF IT BEFORE US ARE TAKING IT APART IN TO PIECES.

BUT THEN I'M GOING I HAVE READ ALL OF IT.

AND DRIVING IN TO THE DEEP THINGS OF CODE, AND UNDERSTANDING-- WHAT IS NONCONFORMING USE-- WE WILL BE DIVING DEEP INTO SOME OF THIS STUFF.

AND THAT KIND OF LEVELED THIS CONCERNS ME PERSONALLY.

>> ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT SUGGESTION? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WHERE DO YOU WANT THAT. >> I'M FINE WITH THE CONCEPT OF THAT. IF THERE IS A STRONG SOLID AGENDA THAT CAN BE STUCK TO, THEN I AM FINE WITH IT.

I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A FREE-FOR-ALL.

>> OF COURSE. THERE HAS ONLY BEEN THREE ISSUES THAT I HEAR CONSTANTLY COMING UP.

AND I THINK IF THOSE THREE ISSUES COULD BE ADDRESSED WITH ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO OWN THESE DECISIONS-- I'M SORRY. CONTINUE THERE.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE ALL FOLKS COME TO THE TABLE. I LIKE HOW YOU PUT THAT OUT.

BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING OF WHEN THAT WOULD OCCUR.

BECAUSE IT WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE ALL OF US.

BUT I WOULD LIKE A STRUCTURED VERSION OF THAT.

PROBABLY LATE NOVEMBER. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BEFORE NOVEMBER. BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS.

THIS IS AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT A

PRIORITY. >> AFTER MODULE THREE-- OR MODULE FOUR? AFTER MID-OCTOBER?

>> WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF TO SEE WHICH ONE.

TO KNOW PNC'S OPINION AS WELL. >> AS LONG AS THERE IS A STRONG AGENDA SO IT DOESN'T GO OFF THE ROAD.

>> PERFECT, TYLER. >> I THINK THESE TOPICS WILL BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT.

>> PERFECT. >> I AGREE.

EVERYTHING THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR ME AS WE COME TO THE MEETING AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POINTS OF DISCUSSION ARE.

SO WERE STUCK HAVING TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER RIGHT THEN.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT THOSE POINTS ARE SO EVERYONE CAN CLAIM-- CLAIM TO THE TABLE.

>> IT WILL HAVE TO BE A STRONG AGENDA AHEAD OF TIME SO WE HAVE THE WEEK OR WHATEVER TO ABSORB IT, AND WE DON'T COME OUT BLINDLY AND TURN IT INTO A FREE-FOR-ALL.

WE DON'T NEED THAT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE ADVISORY, AND WE TALKED TO THE CONSULTANT, WE WOULD NEED CASES FOR CHANGE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND EACH ONE OF THESE. ESPECIALLY THE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE CONTENTIONS. THE ADVISORY GROUP HAS SAID TO THEM WE WANT TO SEE THESE THINGS.

SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POINTS OF CONTENTION, I CAN SEE IT. BUT IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A FREE-FORM OF ALL THESE MODULES, THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST BLOCK

OUT OUR WHOLE YEAR. >> TO DO THE MAIN TOPICS THAT WE

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SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO COME UP WITH THOSE TOPICS, AND

THEN... >> IF YOU OPENED IT UP THERE WOULD BE RESPONSES FROM PEOPLE THAT COME TO US PRIVATELY.

YOU WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE?

>> YES. I UNDERSTAND.

WE WILL ASK STAFF TO PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR US.

>> POINT OF CLARIFICATION HERE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU A FULL-BLOWN PLAN RIGHT NOW AS WE SIT HERE.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MEETING INTENT.

JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

THE COMMITTEE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SEPARATE FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, CORRECT? AND SEPARATE FROM PNC?

>> IT IS PNC COUNCIL, AND REFERRED FROM DEVELOPERS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND CONTRACTORS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

NBS, WE WOULD LIKE THOSE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE, AT LEAST.

>> TO SELECT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE THAT WILL BE A PART OF THIS WE NEED COUNCIL TO GIVE US THOSE NAMES.

YOU ARE ALL WANTING THIS? >> I SENT THEM STRAIGHT OVER TO YOU. THE PEOPLE I SENT OVER ARE THERE TO TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT THEIR QUESTIONS.

THOSE WOULD BE THE PEOPLE I WOULD.

THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAME TO ME.

AND EACH ONE OF US CAN DO THAT. >> BUT HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT WITH THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN AS WELL.

>> WHAT IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN?

>> THE RESIDENTS. >> LISTEN, I LOOKED AT A PICTURE AND SAID YES, I WANT THAT. BUT IF THE MARKET WON'T SUPPORT IT, I THINK WE DESERVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT TO SEE.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW EITHER. THEY WANT A THRIVING COMMUNITY.

SO IF WE PUT IN PLACE WHAT THEY WANT, BUT IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL, IT DOESN'T MATTER AT THAT POINT. SO IT'S JUST VENTING OUT TO MAKE SURE-- THESE CONCERNS-- IT'S SIMPLE.

IT'S PARKING. SIMPLE THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COMMUNITY-- THE COMMUNITY WILL GET THE IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANT. IT'S THREE LITTLE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO SEE, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT-- LIKE THEY ARE SAYING,

IN REAL-WORLD EXAMPLES. >> IT IS A CONVERSATION.

THE GOAL IS TO STREAMLINE TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION OUT AT ONCE.

COUNCILOR, P AND Z, CONSULTED, CONTRACTORS.

>> THEN WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAVE TO ASK THOSE PEOPLE, THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS THING INSTEAD OF HAVING A ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION, WE SHOULD HAVE A FORMAT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO A PRESENTATION AS WELL. IT'S OUR CONSULTANT GIVING US PRESENTATIONS, AND STAFF GIVING US PRESENTATIONS.

WHY WOULDN'T WE INVITE THOSE PEOPLE TOO THAN GIVE US PRESENTATIONS? BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DO HAVE THOSE AS WELL FOR CASE STUDIES. SO, TO ME I AM LOOKING AT SOME CONCRETE STUFF WITH CASE STUDIES.

I WANT TO SEE THEIR CASE STUDIES, I WANT TO SEE OUR CASE STUDIES, AND THEN I CAN ANALYSE IT.

BUT I GO BACK TO A CARMEN WAS SAYING, I NEED THAT IN A WEEK OR SO IN ADVANCE SO I HAVE TIME TO PROCESS THE DATA AND LOOK AT MYSELF. SO ON LOOKING AT HAVING IT IS A DISCUSSION, PEOPLE'S PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I WANT TO SEE IT. >> SOMETHING THAT HAS AN AGENDA, IT'S A PUBLIC EAT-- MEETING. AND THEY HAVE ITEMS WHERE THEY CAN SHARE WHY THE MARKET WOULD NOT SUPPORT IT, AND EXPLAIN THAT TO US. BUT THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO VENT AND ASK THEM AND REBUTTAL IF WE WANT.

AND STAFF COULD TOO. IT'S A CONVERSATION.

WE ARE WORKING WITH EACH OTHER. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PARTNERS.

THE CITY, THE P AND Z, THE DEVELOPERS, THAT'S WHAT THIS CITY IS ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT THIS MEETING IS GOING TO DO. HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION FOR HOW WE CAN PARTNER TOGETHER SO EVERYONE IS SUCCESSFUL, IN THIS COUNCIL AT THAT POINT CAN MAKE A DECISION THAT WILL MAKE THE CITY THRIVE, AND WE WILL KEEP GREAT PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE ARE KNOWN

FOR. >> AND GO BACK TO THE CITY MANAGERS POINT, THOUGH. HOW DO WE SELECT THOSE, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO NOT SELECT ONE THAT WANTED TO COME TO THE

TABLE TOO? >> I THINK WE CAN RECOMMEND, BUT THE PEOPLE WE DO NOT RECOMMEND THEY CAN COME AND MAKE THEIR

COMMENTS. >> THEY USED TO HAVE A FORMAT WHERE DEVELOPERS COULD COME AT THE START OF A COUNCIL MEETING AND DO A PRESENTATION. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS

NOW. >> I'M JUST CHUCKLING BECAUSE 2026 IS GOING TO BE THE YEAR OF PUBLIC INPUT BETWEEN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THE MASTER MANDATORY PLAN.

>> IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? >> I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

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WE'VE CONTINUED TO BRING CONTRACTS FORWARD AND RECOMMEND THAT TO COUNCIL. SO I AM GLAD THE PEOPLE ARE NOTICING. AS IT RELATES TO SELECTING DEVELOPERS FROM THE COMMUNITY, STAFF DOES NOT NEED TO BE PUT IN THAT POSITION. WE NEED TO GIVE A LIST OF DEVELOPERS THAT YOU ALL WANT, OR CONTRACTORS THAT YOU WILL WANT.

OR CONVERSELY WE COULD OPEN IT UP TO A SIGN-UP SHEET.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DO.

>> SIGN-UP SHEET, AND IF P AND Z OR COUNCIL HAD CONTRACTORS OR DEVELOPERS APPROACH THEM THAT HAD CONCERNS, THEN WE SEND THAT INFORMATION TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HE COMPILES A LIST.

>> OR THEY SIGNED THE SIGN-UP SHEET.

WE DIRECT THOSE CONTRACTORS/DEVELOPERS TO DO THE SIGN-UP SHEET. IT IS ONE FINAL.

>> IF YOU WANT YOUR VOICE HEARD, YOU WILL SIGN-UP.

>> CAN STAFF SEND THE SIGN-UP SHEET TO PNC AND COUNCIL SO WE CAN SEND THAT TO THOSE THAT HAVE CONTACTED US AND EVERYONE CAN GO

THROUGH THE SAME FUNNEL? >> WHAT WE CAN DO IS PUT TOGETHER AN ONLINE FORM THAT IS EASY FOR PEOPLE TO PULL OUT, AS A SUBMISSION STYLE THING. SO WE WILL WORK ON PUTTING THAT TOGETHER PROBABLY. AND I AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COVER ALL THE SCOPE QUESTIONS. ALL JUST GET TO THE GENERAL THINGS HERE. IS THE EXPECTATION THAT EVERY DEVELOPER THAT SIGNS UP A GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND PRESENTATION, AND IF SO HOW LONG SHOULD THAT PRESENTATION BE AND

WILL THERE BE A TIME CAP. >> THERE NEEDS TO BE A TIME CAP.

AND I WOULD SAY 10 MINUTES. BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10 MINUTES.

>> WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR THEM TO JUSTIFY THE DISCREPANCIES THEY SEE WITH THE UDC CODE THAT THEY FEEL IS NOT CORRECT,

JUSTIFY THAT POSITION. >> IT'S MORE THAT THE MARKET WILL NOT SUPPORT IT. WE WANT TO KNOW WHY THE MARKET-- WHY WOULD THE MARKET NOT COME. WHY WOULD BUSINESSES NOT COME.

WHY WOULD THAT CONCEPT FAIL IN BRINGING GOOD BUSINESSES HERE.

WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS SAID THAT WE WANTED.

IT WAS PARKING AND WHAT ELSE WAS IT? IMPERVIOUS COVER. THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND ONE.

I THINK THERE WILL BE A THIRD ONE.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> HORIZONTAL VERSUS VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT. NOBODY HAS BEEN BRINGING UP SCIENCE TO ME-- SIGNS TO ME EITHER.

THE POLICY SLIDE WOULD GIVE US A BETTER CONCEPT OF IT.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> RIGHT THERE.

DRIVE-THROUGH'S, PARKING, IMPERVIOUS COVER.

THOSE ARE THE THREE. AND THE HORIZONTAL VERSUS

VERTICAL. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH IT.

IF SOMEONE HAS COMPLAINTS OUTSIDE OF THAT THEY ARE WELCOME TO COME TO COUNCIL AND DO A PUBLIC COMMENT.

OTHER THAN THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR A FREE-FOR-ALL.

>> THESE ARE THE FOUR THINGS THAT IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, SIGN-UP HERE AND YOU CAN BE A PART OF A JOINT MEETING.

AND YOU WILL HAVE 5 MINUTES TO GIVE A PRESENTATION.

>> I THINK MY CHALLENGES IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ASK THIS PRESENTATION TO BE EARLY AS WELL? IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM STAFF. I NEED TIME TO PROCESS THAT AND

VET IT AND LOOK AT IT. >> IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE

SIGN-UP SHEET. >> WE WILL REQUIRE THAT THEY SUBMIT IT A WEEK IN ADVANCE OR SOMETHING.

>> I SAY A WEEK IN ADVANCE. >> ANOTHER THING, TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE, DEPENDING ON THE SIGN-UP CODE, WE HAVE TO

CHANGE VENUES. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

WE WILL. >> SO IT IS NOT LOST ON THIS PAGE, THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

ALSO FROM THE FEEDBACK, IF THERE SOMETHING IN THE FEEDBACK THEY DISAGREE WITH, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO BE PART OF THIS.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LIST IS.

>> YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN A PART OF THE COMMITTEE WE ARE NOT AWARE IF THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER AREAS OF CONCERN.

AND I WOULD SAY LIMIT IT TO MODULE THREE.

WE HAVE ALREADY ASKED FROM STAFFER A LIST OF COMPLAINTS IN

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THE FEEDBACK. >> HOLDS ON.

HOLDS ON. >> YOU WANT TO LIMIT THIS ENTIRE THING TO SOLI ITEMS IN MODULE THREE?

>> OTHER THAN THOSE FOUR ITEMS. >> I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT

MODULE FOUR. >> YOU CANNOT SPEAK ABOUT MODULE

FOUR. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN MODULE FOUR. HAS ANYONE BROUGHT UP CONCERNS ABOUT MODULE FOUR. I KNOW IT'S ALMOST ON.

>> I KNOW IT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED-- HAS NOT BEEN

PUBLISHED YET. >> FOUR ITEMS.

WE ALL AGREE ON THE FOUR ITEMS? >> I THINK I AGREE ON THOSE ITEMS. BUT TO JUST LIMIT IT TO MODULE THREE SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE TO THE FOUR ITEMS, IN CASE SOMETHING SHOWS UP IN MODULE FOUR.

THIS DOESN'T GET SCHEDULED TILL MID-OCTOBER WHICH IS WEEKS AWAY.

WHEN IT COMES OUT AND THE MEETING ITSELF WOULD BE SEEKING INPUT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED.

>> WHATEVER THEY WANT TO COVER, AS LONG AS IT IS ON THE FOUR ITEMS, THEY CAN COVER IT IN 5 MINUTES.

MODULE ONE, MODULE FOUR. >> AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT'S WHAT WE WILL LIMIT IT TO. DISCUSSION OF THOSE FOUR ITEMS.

>> THEY HAVE 5 MINUTES. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO FOR

5 MINUTES. >> THAT GIVES US TIME FOR CONVERSATION TO ASK QUESTIONS AND DIVING DEEP.

OTHERWISE WE WILL BE HERE FOR FOUR HOURS.

>> OKAY. >> ARE WE IN AGREEMENT FOR THE

FOUR ITEMS? >> YES.

>> THE LAST THING, JUST TO MAKE SURE, WE HAVE ALL OF COUNCIL, PIA-- P AND Z. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND CONSULTANT AND DEVELOPERS. I AM NOT THERE YET, I'M JUST MAKING SURE I GOT THE RIGHT CROWD.

THERE IS NO OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE? WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU A PROPOSED SCHEDULE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE COULD PUT TOGETHER IN A WEEK. WE WOULD BRING THIS ITEM BACK TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, COVERING ALL OF THESE WITH A PROPOSED SCHEDULE. WE WILL WRITE ALL OF THIS UP, THAT WAY EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT.

IF WE JUST TRIED TO PUT THIS TOGETHER IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT PUTTING OUR PROPOSED SCHEDULE. INSTEAD PROPOSED SCHEDULE, IF THERE IS A THREAT TO THE EXISTING SCHEDULE, WHICH IS NOT A BIG DEAL, WE WILL INCLUDE THAT SO THAT EVERYBODY'S WAY UP FRONT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL COSTS OR WHATEVER IT IS. I JUST DON'T WANT QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY DID MODULE FOUR NOT GET DELIVERED UNTIL A WEEK LATER WHEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO. WELL IF WE ARE DOING THIS, THAT WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT FROM A STAFF TIME PERSPECTIVE.

>> BECAUSE PNC WILL NOT BE A PART OF OUR NEXT MEETING TO MY KNOWLEDGE. COULD THAT BE SUPPLIED BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING? BEFORE THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION

FOR THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE? >> ARE WE GOING TO-- WE SAID DEVELOPERS. WHAT IF SOMEBODY ELSE SIGNS UP WE WILL IT BE WHOEVER SIGNS UP, OR ONLY THESE--

>> MARKET SPECIALISTS. PEOPLE IN THE MARKET THAT HAVE STEAK HERE AND ARE INVESTING HERE ALREADY AND HAVE WORK HERE

OR DESIRE TO DO WORK HERE. >> WHO WILL BE THE DETERMINER OF

THAT. >> OF WHAT? OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY QUALIFY AS A MARKET SPECIALISTS.

>> I THINK A MARKET SPECIALISTS WOULD BE IF YOU DEVELOPED LAND HERE, FOR SURE. IF YOU'VE DEVELOPED LAND IN GENERAL. IF THE TYPES OF PRODUCTS YOU DEVELOP MEET OR MATCH WHAT OUR DESIRE IS.

I DO NOT KNOW. I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.

>> TO BE FAIR, WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST LET PEOPLE SIGN-UP. BUT THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK IS WE HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE PER COMPANY.

DON'T NEED TO SEE MULTIPLE PEOPLE FROM THE SAME COMPANY SPEAKING AND SAYING THE SAME THING, BASICALLY.

>> I DON'T WANT TO GET US IN TO A SITUATION WHERE WE INADVERTENTLY LEAVE SOMEBODY OUT, OR WE DON'T THINK THEY MEET THE QUALIFICATION IF THERE IS ONE OR TWO OF THOSE AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP A PROJECT. MAYBE IT'S THEIR FIRST PROJECT.

I DON'T KNOW. >> IN MY OPINION IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, IT'S MORE DO THEY HAVE A SOLID BASE PRESENTATION ON THE FOUR THINGS THAT WE STATED.

AND THEY SPEAK TO IT, IN AN INFORMED WAY.

>> THEY COULD ONLY WANT TO SPEAK ON IMPERVIOUS COVER, AND WE

SHOULD LET THEM DO THAT. >> I THINK WERE OVERTHINKING

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QUALIFICATION. >> WE ARE HAPPY TO PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT

COUNCIL MEETING. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WANT TO SAY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME HERE.

THIS WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION AND I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE IT.

WITH THAT, WE ARE NOW GOING TO ADJOURN-- ACTUALLY, NO.

I AM TO ASK THE P AND Z CHAIR TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.

>> WE ADJOURN P AND Z AT 7:51 P.M.

>> WITH THAT WE WILL TAKE A FIVE MI

[4)CONSENT AGENDA]

>> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCIL, IS THERE A MOTION.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> MOTION IS MADE. DOES ANYONE HAVE A SECOND.

[5) REGULAR AGENDA]

>> MOTION IS MADE AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? 5-0. MOTION PASSES.

WE MOVE TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION AND RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF LIBERTY HILL RATIFYING THE MUNICIPAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 TO 2027.

FUNDING MUNICIPAL PURPOSES, OPERATE-- UPRISING EXPENDITURES.

FINALIZING BUDGET REPEALER'S, EFFECTIVE NATE... AND PRIOR NOTICE. THIS WILL BE BROUGHT BY JOSH ARMSTRONG, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. IT IS ON.

BUT WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. NO.

>> WE ARE GOOD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE LAST STEP IN THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING THE TAX RATE. YOU ADOPTED IT AT THE LAST MEETING AFTER ADOPTING YOUR BUDGET.

THIS IS TO RATIFY THE TAX RATE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> OKAY.

ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THIS MOTION WILL BE MADE BY ME.

ANYONE WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION FIRST? OKAY. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> THANK YOU. 26-R-020.

RATIFYING THE MUNICIPAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026-2027.

AS CORRECTED. >> I WILL SECOND THAT.

>> MOTION IS MADE BY COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HENNESSY. WE WILL NOW RECORD VOTES.

>> OKAY. THERE WE HAVE IT.

>> THE RECORD REFLECTS SIX VOTES IN FAVOR.

ZERO VOTES OPPOSED. THAT MOTION WILL PASS.

ITEM 5B, DISCUSSING CONSIDERATION ON POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE 2026-0-019, AMENDING SECTION 7.05 OF THE CITY LIBERTY HILL UNIFIED DEVELOP AND CODE, RELATED TO PHYSICAL SECURITY, WARRANTY REQUIREMENTS, AND ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. I'M GOING TO READ THE ORDINANCE IF THAT'S OKAY. AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF LIBERTY HILL TEXAS, AMENDING THE MOMENT CODE OF SECTION 7.05. THIS WILL SHOW THE ASSURANCE HE AND ASSURANCE OF CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE IN IT'S ENTIRETY, PROVIDING FOR FINDING OF FACTS AND SAVING SEVERABILITY. REPEALER, NOTICE A PUBLIC MEETING, AND EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS GOING TO BE LED BY ROBIN, WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT

SERVICES. >> I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM ME A LOT TONIGHT. APPARENTLY.

THANK YOU, GUYS. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU ALL IN AUGUST. I AM BRINGING THE ORDINANCE BACK

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THE PURPOSE OF FISCAL A SURETY IS TO PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION TO OUR CITY. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT FORMS. WE HAVE OUR PERFORMANCE BONDS AND MAINTENANCE BONDS.

AND LETTERS OF CREDIT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CODE IN THIS PART OF THE ORDINANCE. BUT OUR PERFORMANCE BONDS ARE UTILIZED WHEN A SUBDIVISION PLAT IS RECORDED.

SO IT IS NOT REQUIRED IN LESS THEY WOULD LIKE TO FILE THE PLAT PRIOR TO HAVING THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS CONSTRUCTED.

FOR THE PERFORMANCE BOND ITSELF. AND A MAINTENANCE BOND IS PROVIDED AFTER THAT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN COLLECTED. SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE TWO PERIOD, OR ONE YEAR PERIOD, AS IT IS TODAY, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GO TO THAT BONDING AGENCY, AND THAT IS WHO WILL DEVELOP THAT. THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDS COME FROM. IT DOESN'T COME FROM OUR TAXPAYERS AND GENERAL FUND. IT COMES FROM NOT.

WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS STARTS-- WE HAVE A PLOT PROCESS AND THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL.

OR WATER, WASTEWATER, DRAINAGE AND STREETS.

ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS EXCEPTED THE FINAL PLAT IS RECORDED, AND WE CAN POST THAT FISCAL A SURETY BETWEEN THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND FINAL PLAT IF YOU WISH TO RECORD.

AND ONCE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS ACCEPTED BY OUR CITY ENGINEERS IT GOES THROUGH A FIRM INSPECTION, AND THAT IS WHEN THE PLAN COMES IN AFTER EVERYTHING WAS SIGNED OFF ON.

THESE ARE OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS.

THEY ARE ONE YEAR AT A 20% COST. AND THE PERFORMANCE BOND IS POSTED IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW PLAT BEFORE INFRASTRUCTURE IS CONSTRUCTED, AND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY FOR A TWO AIR MAINTENANCE BOND PERIOD. AND FOR 80% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST AT THE 110 IS STILL THE SAME.

THIS IS OUR REGIONAL CONTEXT. THIS IS THE SAME SLIDE THAT WAS ON THE LAST PRESENTATION. IT SHOWS OUR GENERAL AREA.

I WILL GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH, THERE ARE CITIES THAT REQUIRE 100% MAINTENANCE BONDS. SO ALL OF THESE ON THE LIST REQUIRE A 100% MAINTENANCE BOND. AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT PROVIDE SECURITY ONCE WE ACCEPT THIS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

SOMETIMES THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE WORKSTATION, AND IT ALLOWS US TO LINK THAT COMPANY TO FUND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO TAKE PLACE IN ORDER FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONTINUE TO FUNCTION FOR THE CITY, FOR THE PURPOSE IT WAS ACCEPTED FOR.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REQUESTED FROM OUR LAST MEETING IS GIVING WHAT THOSE VALUES LOOK LIKE.

SO I DID THIS BASED ON A ONE MILLION-DOLLAR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT. IF I'M TALKING ABOUT A SUBDIVISION AND ALL THE PHASES, WE ARE CLOSER TO 10 MILLION.

BUT THIS IS MORE GIVING $1 MILLION OF BASIS.

THIS DEPENDS ON THE VALUE CAPACITY.

LIKE YOUR CREDIT SCORE. SO I DID GO AHEAD AND GIVE THOSE ANNUAL APPROVALS UP TO 2%. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN COST FOR THESE IS IN THAT LAST COLUMN.

SO THE DIFFERENCE IN COST FROM THE 20% VERSUS THE 80% IS IN THE FAR COLUMN THERE. SO THEY ARE NOT HAVING TO GIVE $1 MILLION TO THE BANK TO SECURE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, AS IT IS A PERCENTAGE OF THAT. BUT THAT'S BASED ON YOUR BANK AND CREDIT CAPACITY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SLIDE? AND THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE.

THESE ARE A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES.

>> WHERE IS NOT? >> THIS IS BUTLER FARMS.

>> OKAY. >> ALL THESE PICTURES ARE FROM

BUTLER FARMS? >> THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

>> OKAY. >> THE STRUCTURE BROKE DOWN

WITHIN TWO YEARS? >> YES.

>> AND DID WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT, OR DID THE FARMS BOND PAY

FOR THAT? >> THESE WERE ALL REQUIRED TODAY. THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR

IT. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE THE

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THIS IS NOT ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. I'VE HEARD THAT SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT. TODAY IT IS 20%.

WE ARE PROPOSING 80% WITH THE HOLDING GOING FROM ONE TO TWO HERE. WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THAT, BUT... WHILE ALSO REMOVING THE LETTERS OF CREDIT.

>> I WISH WE HAD SEEN THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE TONIGHT.

SOMETHING I HAD ASKED FOR IN THE LAST MEETING, UNLESS IT IS AFTER THIS-- IS THIS THE LAST SLIDE BEFORE I STICK MY FOOT IN MY

MOUTH? >> I DID NOT PLACE THOSE IN HERE. I DID PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I HAD TO GO TO OPEN RECORDS.

AND I ONLY RECEIVED THEM AT 5:00 TODAY.

>> TO FIGURE WHAT THE PERCENTAGES WERE?

>> THERE WAS A REQUEST TO GET DATA FROM ANOTHER CITY FOR A REQUIREMENT. IS WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO?

>> WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS THAT ART-- AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING YOU SAID HE SPOKE TO OTHER CITY MANAGERS.

AND YOU SAID SUMMER TEN, SUMMER 20%.

YOU NOTED THAT THEY ARE ADDING, OR AT 90%.

AND I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT. >> IN ORDER FOR US TO PROVIDE THE DATA WE HAVE TO GET SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN CODIFIED, OR WRITTEN DOWN. AND THAT'S WHEN WE GO THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. AND WE KNOW THAT TAKES A WHILE

TO COME AROUND. >> YOU WERE DIRECTED TO BRING THE SITE AND BACK TO THIS MEETING.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS TONIGHT.

IT'S JUST MORE INFORMATION. YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION ON A DIFFERENT AMOUNT. WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.

BUT WE ARE JUST FOLLOWING THAT DIRECTION, BRINGING THIS INFORMATION BACK. SO IT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

>> IF WE GO BACK TO THE PROPOSED CHANGES, CAN YOU DO THAT FOR ME, PLEASE? OKAY.

REQUIRING BONDS INSTEAD OF LETTERS OF CREDIT.

THAT IS PRETTY MUCH STANDARD FOR ME.

IN THE WORLD I DEALT WITH BEFORE.

BECAUSE LINES OF CREDIT ARE PROBABLY NOT ALWAYS WORTH THE PAPER THEY ARE PUT ON. SO IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THAT GOES AWAY, THAT TAKES THAT OUT OF THERE.

THE ONE TO TWO YEARS, ANY TIME YOU RAISE IT IS GOING TO COST MORE MONEY. BUT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING, EVEN NOT JUST THE BUTLER FARM THINGS, BUT THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING TO GET TO IN A MINUTE, MY VERSION OF ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL IF IT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BETTER. BUT THE REALITY IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE ROADS WE SEE THIS ON. WE HAVE SEEN IT ON LIFT STATIONS. MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PLANT FAILS.

WE'VE SEEN IT ON FIRMS THAT WENT WRONG.

THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. WE SAW THE IMPACT ON OUR CITIZENS NOT LONG AGO. OF COURSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE QUALIFYING PEOPLE AND MAKING SURE WE ARE GETTING THOSE FIRMS. THAT IS A GIVEN.

BUT TO HAVE TO SEE THESE PROCESSES AND UNDERSTAND THESE PROCESSES, TO HAVE TO BE HERE ON SITE TO SAY YOU'RE PUTTING THIS IN, DID YOU PUT THE RIGHT THING IN? WE DON'T HAVE THE STOP FOR THAT. SO WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE QUALITY CONTRACTORS WE NEED.

I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ASK IS DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY CONCERNS, AND ARE WE GETTING DOWN TO TALKING ABOUT THE 20 TO 80?

>> YES. BASED ON THE RESEARCH THAT I HAVE SEEN FROM CITIES, THERE ARE LOTS OF OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN DO.

AND DEPENDING ON THE PERCENTAGE, THEN IT WAS JUST ONE YEAR, DEPENDING ON THE PERCENTAGE THEN TWO YEARS.

I AGREE WITH ELIZABETH. I WISHED WE HAD THIS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. BECAUSE I WANTED TO TAKE THE INFORMATION I HAD AND COMPARE IT AND VERIFY THE INFORMATION.

THIS ISN'T MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME.

OTHER THAN THE MISSING INFORMATION THAT WAS ASKED FOR.

BUT, I AM OPEN TO TWO YEARS DEPENDING ON THE PERCENTAGE.

>> I'M GOING TO SAY THIS. I AM NOT READY TONIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION. AND I POSSIBLY MAY WANT TO SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT MOVING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT SOMETHING.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO KEEP KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD MEETING TO MEETING. BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WHILE I DID NOT VOTE THE LAST TIME, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT DID PASS ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION THAT WAS RECEIVED.

I DO RESPECT THAT. BUT GOING BACK TO THE ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL ASPECT, ONE OF THE OTHER WAY SET I HAVE SEEN THIS DONE IN MY OTHERWORLD IS THAT IT'S BASED ON THE RISK OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IN OTHER WORDS, A ROAD PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS HIGH. BUT MAYBE A WASTEWATER PLANT, OR

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IT'S NOT ABOUT IF THEY PUT IT IN FROM THE METER TO THE HOUSE.

IT SOMETHING ELSE. AND I JUST WANT TO GET STAFF'S FEEDBACK. DO WE EVER SEE ANY OTHER CITIES THAT DO IT? INTERNATIONALLY WE WILL DO IT BASED ON RISK, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING A LOT BIGGER PROJECTS, PROBABLY, OTHER THAN OUR CITIES. WHEN YOU SAY IT'S NOT ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL, COULD IT NOT BE ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL UNLESS IT

IS A TYPE OF INFILL? >> I CAN GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO FREEZING UTILITIES ON DIFFERENT BOND TIMELINES AND DIFFERENT BOND AMOUNTS. THAT'S DONE FOR SPECIFIC REASONS AND IT'S TAILORED TOWARDS... THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SOILS DEPENDING ON WHAT SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY OR ON.

ONE SIDE WILL BE LIMESTONE, ONE SIDE WILL BE CLAY.

SO THEY DO THAT WITH THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL LIMP-- INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WHAT THEY BUILD.

THEY DO THAT WITH TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE RISK, BUT THE RISK WITHIN THEIR EXISTING-- IT CAN CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE AT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT MOST CITIES DO WHEN THEY TRY TO DO IT THAT WAY.

THEY ARE NOT DOING IT BASED UPON RISK FACTOR DOING IT ON SOIL CONDITIONS, WHAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT THEY HAVE, AND HOW

THEIR CITY IS STRUCTURED. >> I LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT.

I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SEEMS MORE FLEXIBLE, AND MAYBE MORE PERTINENT TO WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS HAPPENING AS NEEDS. I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IF THERE IS ANY MORE INFORMATION INTO HOW THAT STRUCTURE LOOKS, I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE THAT.

>> SORRY TO INTERRUPT. YOU COULD DO THE EXPONENTIAL ON HOW MAY WAYS WE COULD STRUCTURE THESE, THAT'S A PROBLEM, RIGHT.

WE COULD STRUCTURE A MULTITUDE OF WAYS.

I THINK THE BIGGEST ONES WE WILL HAVE ISSUES WITH ARE GOING TO BE ROADS, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE ARE BUILDING A LOT OF OUR ROADS BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE NOT TAILORED TO OUR CITY. THAT HAS IT'S OWN SET OF ISSUES WHICH IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT DESIGN.

WE COULD STRUCTURE THEM DIFFERENTLY.

THE OPTIONS ARE ENDLESS. >> LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION NOW.

THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, IS THERE ENGINEER-- DOES HE REVIEW IT, AND IF OUR ENGINEER REVIEWS IT TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE CITY

SPECS, DOES THAT HAPPEN? >> THERE IS A SIGN OFTEN ROBIN COULD TAKE THIS. THERE IS A SIGN UP AT THE END OF THE DAY. FOR PRIVATE DEVELOP AND THAT DESIGNS A DEVELOPMENT, THERE ENGINEER'S THE SIGNING OFF.

>> NOT THE CITY SO THE ANSWER IS YES? OUT THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPERS ENGINEER LOOKS AT THAT PROJECT, GIVES THEIR STAMP OF APPROVAL AND SAYS THAT MEETS THE CITY

SPECS. >> CAN I CLARIFY THAT, PLEASE? BECAUSE WHEN WE SAY IT MEETS THE CITY SPECS, UNLESS WE HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE SAYING OKAY, OUR SPECS AS YOU'RE GOING TO P PUT-- 4-INCH, WHATEVER OUR STANDARD IS, SOMEBODY HAS TO WATCH IT. AS YOU ARE GOING TO USE THIS TYPE OF MATERIAL. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE GOING TO INSPECT THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL.

SO WHEN WE SAY WE SIGNED OFF ON IT, WE ARE NOT OUT THERE ON THE JOB EVERY DAY. YOU SIGN OFF ON THE MATERIALS

AND THEY DO IT, RIGHT? >> ARE YOU ASKING ME A TWO CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS CAN BE AT JOB SITES?

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>> TYPICALLY IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO SAY HERE IS WHAT WERE DOING, YOU'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO US, AND IF YOU'RE THE PARTNER YOU WILL DO IT. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT, HERE IS THE IMPACT OF HAVING THAT DONE. SO I DON'T THINK-- THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR ME TO SEE IT HAVE A BOND AMOUNT.

GOING BACK TO WHEN I SAID CAN WE DO IT DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE, MY AUTOMATIC... PERHAPS BECAUSE A WASTEWATER PLANT IS GOING TO COST MORE THAN A ROAD.

SO IT MAY EVEN NOTE. YOU WERE SAYING IT EARLIER THAT IT AUTOMATICALLY IS NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL AND IT COULD BE BECAUSE OF THE PERCENTAGE. I DO KNOW THAT WE NEED TO FIX THIS. BECAUSE WE HAVE A FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITIZENS THAT WE DON'T KEEP PAYING FOR BAD JOBS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS. >> AND I WANT TO MAKE REFERENCE, WE HAVE A NEW CITY ENGINEER. SOME OF THE THINGS WERE DEALING WITH NOW, BUTLER WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF OUR PROCESSES THAT WE AS A CITY PUT OUR STAMP OF APPROVAL ON IT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE ENGINEER, I WOULD JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT. AND TO CLARIFY, WE DO HAVE A DIFFERENT ENGINEER THAN WE HAVE HAD BEFORE.

THAT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IN TERMS OF APPROVAL.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> FOR ME I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT. GIVEN OUR PAST EXPERIENCES AS A PRECURSOR TO PROTECT US. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THAT PERCENTAGE. I WILL RESPECT THE FACT-- WE'VE HAD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THAT WAS MY POINT LAST TIME FOR THE WAY I VOTED. BUT I RESPECT THE FACT THAT YOU ALL ASKED FOR INFORMATION AND IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU GOT IT, THEN-- I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF SOME MORE INFO.

AND THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO DO BY SAYING WE ARE GOOD WITH A LETTER OF CREDIT. NOW WE ARE COMING DOWN TO THIS AND WE COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE WANT AND GET IT BEFOREHAND SO WE ARE NOT KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO COUNCIL.

TO MAKE SURE, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE MAKE A DECISION ON, TO MAKE SURE WE DO AT THE RIGHT WAY.

MY UNDERSTANDING, AS STAFF TOLD US LAST TIME, THERE IS NOTHING PRESSING RIGHT NOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT IF WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION TODAY. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> AS FAR AS WAITING ANOTHER TWO WEEKS, YEAH.

>> IF WE WERE UP TO MOVE IT TO THE NEXT ONE, WE HAVE NOT SEEN THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR, IF THAT GIVES US MORE TIME--

>> OBVIOUSLY I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE INFORMATION, BECAUSE WE ARE HERE, WE ARE DRIVING HERE. SO WE LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION

AND GET THAT OUT. >> PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING.

>> MIDWEEK IF WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? OR WHATEVER INFORMATION WE DO HAVE, RIGHT? SOME PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS TAKE LONGER THAN OTHERS.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE IS GOOD WITH-- I DON'T WANT TO OVER CATEGORIZE, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT TOTAL IMPACTED PERCENTAGE. SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET THAT INFORMATION. WE WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT INFORMATION IS OUT IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT MEETING.

>> AND I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? WOULD WE PASS THIS IF IT IS CODIFIED? IT GOES IN TO AFFECT FROM WHICH PROJECTS? I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE WHAT IS THE-- WHEN DOES IT HIT-- WHICH PROJECT AS IT HIT ON AND WHEN.

>> I WOULD SAY ANYONE WHO HAS NOT GONE-- HAS NOT STARTED THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLANS YET OR STARTED THEIR SIDE PLAN YET.

>> IT WOULDN'T BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE PLAN, ONLY THE

CONSTRUCTION PLANS. >> IS IT STARTING CONSTRUCTION? OR A FILE-- APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PLAN?

>> I COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>> THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THE QUESTIONS WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE ANSWERED SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AFTER THAT. I CAN APPRECIATE IT TAKES TIME.

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>> DO YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR ASKED STAFF TO BRING IT BACK.

>> WE WILL BRING IT BACK. >> OKAY.

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THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

WITH THAT WE ARE GOING TO ENTER EXECUTIVE SECTION UNDER SECTION 551.071. CONFIRMATION OF ATTORNEY, AND 551.072. DELIBERATIONS RELATED TO RURAL PROPERTY FOR ITEM SIX A THROUGH 60.

THERE WAS NO MOTIONS TO BE

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